Anybody Else Not Sampling? **NO BEEF PLEASE**

Why is sampling or not sampling such a big deal, do it or don't. A big don't would be to not set rules and regulations for yourself, if you want to make all your sounds from scratch then do it but if you stumble across a great sample use it! Theres a lot more to sampling than chopping up 45s, it would be a shame to toss aside such an awesome tool for music creation purely for the reason of setting up stylistic boundaries,

MPC-G wrote:

jjbing3 wrote:What? If you dont sample you are stupid. Go spend $200 on a good turntable, go diggin in old dusty garages, basements, attics, etc... find that vinyl and look for samples. If you arent doing that, then your making beats wrong.Now its beef!!

ahahahha Hilarious. Seriously though, Like someone else said, "Do both." If you dont, then your limiting yourself. Combine them and make a dope track.

dabmeister wrote:

jjbing3 wrote:What? If you dont sample you are stupid. Go spend $200 on a good turntable, go diggin in old dusty garages, basements, attics, etc... find that vinyl and look for samples. If you arent doing that, then your making beats wrong.Now its beef!!

Well, you can only go as far as your talent will take you. Now on that note, that statement can be turned around as well..."What? If you don't play a (fill in the blank for guitar, keyboard, bass, etc.) you are stupid". Well, I doubt the musicians that made all these countless recordings that most folks are sampling these days were anywhere near being "stupid".

A statement like this makes those that play as well as sample look like geniuses.

No beef of course, just all bird.

I was joking. I play guitar, keyboard, and bass. Lol. I'm currently working on the keys so that I can improve and play more complex things. But in the same breath, I have over 5,000 records in my collection so I sample too. I'm no stranger to either process.

jjbing3 wrote:

dabmeister wrote:

jjbing3 wrote:What? If you dont sample you are stupid. Go spend $200 on a good turntable, go diggin in old dusty garages, basements, attics, etc... find that vinyl and look for samples. If you arent doing that, then your making beats wrong.Now its beef!!

Well, you can only go as far as your talent will take you. Now on that note, that statement can be turned around as well..."What? If you don't play a (fill in the blank for guitar, keyboard, bass, etc.) you are stupid". Well, I doubt the musicians that made all these countless recordings that most folks are sampling these days were anywhere near being "stupid".

A statement like this makes those that play as well as sample look like geniuses.

No beef of course, just all bird.

I was joking. I play guitar, keyboard, and bass. Lol. I'm currently working on the keys so that I can improve and play more complex things. But in the same breath, I have over 5,000 records in my collection so I sample too. I'm no stranger to either process.

I know, I learned not to take things around here seriously. But as far as your playing capabilities are concerned, both of us are in the same category.

It brings a new twist to the table when you can put your own flavor around a identifiable loop and still make it sound like something never heared before.

Plus a lot of folks that sample may lack the skills to augment or take total control of the script.

But then again, that's not always the case.

Lampdog wrote:@op, YOU do whatever it is YOU like with YOUR own gear.
**** what people say.

No offense intended towards anyone but it is what it is.

No argument there. Do you until you feel you want something different.

Being a turntablist I sample myself using the turntable as a musical instrument into my 1k, then if don't like it afterwards I can always chop it up and create something different depending on what kind of sounds I'm after.

Coz wrote:

MPC-G wrote:no I didn't... what do you mean? like spread the notes over the keys?

Yes, plus you can add multiple layers to thicken up the sound or add texture. There's infinite possibilities.

Forum member -niN has produced a nice little experimental piece with nothing other than noise and feedback. You couldn't produce that without using a sampler and having some mastery of it.

Check it out...

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=158633

Thanks for the props coz

Also, I'm not sure if there is much of a point in asking a question like: " Anybody Else Not Sampling?" in an MPC-forum ... After all ..MPCs ARE samplers..

I guess what OP meant was, do people not sample other peoples music ... possibly??

As a musicians I'm not for sampling as its taking someone elses work and dedication and basically sh*ting all over to turn it into something they never meant it to be. When people makes songs they put themselves in it. Their life, their experiences, their emotions, their passion, and that's what they use to make those songs people sample. Like you have to understand the original to have respect for the track you're going to make off the song. Thats why a lot of people get sued when an original artists hears their song sampled because it disgraces their work and on top of that they don't get credit. Making music and songs from scratch isn't easy.

As a someone that makes beats too I also understand that there's some sounds you can only get by sampling and in itself you create something incredibly different that's amazing. Like "Power" that Kanye west did by mashing up 2 different songs and other stuff people just sample and put to work. I mean it's brilliant. A sampler is the poor mans orchestra. Don't have strings sample em, don't have a drummer f,it sample on, Need singer screw em' and sample that hook! I mean sampling is straight nasty man.

If you want to know how to be a good producer know how to do it all. Know how to sample but also know how to play what your sampling yourself.

johnnyonehand wrote:As a musicians I'm not for sampling as its taking someone elses work and dedication and basically sh*ting all over to turn it into something they never meant it to be.... A sampler is the poor mans orchestra. Don't have strings sample em, don't have a drummer f,it sample on, Need singer screw em' and sample that hook! I mean sampling is straight nasty man.

I have to say man, I strongly disagree with everything your saying. If you seriously see sampling as just a lesser/cheap alternative to the real thing your wayyyyy off base. I've also had my original stuff sampled and I quite enjoy it, after the initial suprise of course... Definitely didn't see as someone dropping their pants and shitting on my tracks

The artists that got their track shitted on, are getting hefty royalties.

Did you know that Kanye hired a company to recreate the samples he sampled off some records? Yup, and he was very strict in having them to get the samples to sound exactly the same as the original with debris and subtle sonic bits and all. Not all songs though, just the ones that he couldn't clear or were too expensive.

johnnyonehand wrote: Like you have to understand the original to have respect for the track you're going to make off the song.

I kinda agree with that, but sometimes i sample some REALLY WACK records that have a dope loop or something... And i don't really have respect for the original sample though i can make a dope beat out of it... That's strange but it happenned to me a lot of times!

I do some sample free stuff... but if it doesn't sound like a sample I don't save it. I think the sample vs. non sampling debate is a little out of whack mostly because we have been brainwashed to think there is no money/publishing in sampling.

Sampling by some camps is frowned upon as if its an inferior production technique. However, some of the best music is amazing sample flips. Its art and requires skill.

I think live instruments/replays are the top level of musicianship and require the most skill.

Hate cornball synth beats and love a healthy mix of all the above.

Make what you enjoy, and for me its 8 sample based beats for 2 non sample based.

Madlib , Karriem Riggins , The Roots, Oddisee, Just Blaze, Kayne, Sa-Ra . They all do both and do it pretty good. If your'e going for a more live-authentic sound then you either have to sample or play the actual instruments. If your'e doing electronic music then there shouldn't be a debate.

I'm not comfortable with sampling.
When I sample from records I usually take just clicks, humming and static noise.
But my music is mainly dubby lofi triphop, so I really don't need so much samples
I (re)sample only drums and sometimes my own playing (guitar, bass, melodica, xylophone). Everything else is played with keyboard to sequencer -> synth.
But I guess I should start sampling especially all my organ/piano stuff coming from the synth for room ambience and "warmer" sound.
I'm planning to get 30W Rocktron power amp for that purpose.
I already have Boss GT-Pro for FX. Then just hook those to that 2*12" Blackstar cab which we have at our Dungeon.