Forum to discuss all matters relating to the MPC1000 and MPC2500 operating systems created by 'JJ' (all versions).
By converter Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:44 pm
mpc1000, JJOS2XL.
Seems to me that autochromatic assignment (AA) is not as useful as 16 levels set to tune.
the reason being is that AA seems to require that the sample is alone in a program otherwise AA will assign different pitches to the neighboring other pads/samples.
for example if I got a simple program such as :
sample 1 pad 1 tune 0
sample 2 pad 2 tune 0
sample 3 pad 3 tune 0
sample 4 pad 4 tune 0
sample 5 pad 5 tune 0

if I set AA to sample 3 I'll get for example :
sample 1 pad 1 tune -2
sample 2 pad 2 tune -1
sample 3 pad 3 tune 0
sample 4 pad 4 tune +1
sample 5 pad 5 tune +2

obviously not what I was looking for, since I only wanted a chromatic scale for sample 3 and did not want to touch the other samples !

so I guess the only way to use AA is to make another/new program with only sample 3 in it :
sample 3 pad 1 tune 0
sample 3 pad 2 tune 0
sample 3 pad 3 tune 0
sample 3 pad 4 tune 0
sample 3 pad 5 tune 0

then by selecting sample 3 in pad 3 for AA I'll get what I wanted : a chromatic scale just for sample 3 :
sample 3 pad 1 tune -2
sample 3 pad 2 tune -1
sample 3 pad 3 tune 0
sample 3 pad 4 tune +1
sample 3 pad 5 tune +2

well, compared to the simplicity of using 16 levels set to tunes, this seems quite cumbersome.

so, ... am i missing something or is my way of understanding AA incorrect ??
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By m:t:c Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:03 pm
For that use-case, 16 levels is enough, but with AA you can quickly make the sample span +/- 3 semitones and save the program and do other stuff too like amp env, filtering, pitch env, lfo... etc. individually.

16 levels affects only the one sample (does note variation, check out NV) and you're stuck with that.
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By jmac01 Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:40 pm
isn't the point of autochromatic assignment to allow you to play out sounds on your keyboard at different pitches?
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By Lampdog Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:48 pm
jmac01 wrote:isn't the point of autochromatic assignment to allow you to play out sounds on your keyboard at different pitches?

Also to take advantage of program parameters and such.
16 levels is severely limited in that respect. Samples in a program are more flexible than 16 level samples.
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By bliprock Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:35 pm
yea as Lampdog says, 16 levels does more than just pitch.
Really converter I suggest that you use the instrument program instead. You get layers and key range for each sample to do what you want with split keysamples. That is better IMHO than AA or 16 levels.
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By Lampdog Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:00 pm
Don't get me wrong, 16 levels has its uses (I use both inst pgm with AA and 16 lvls, depending on how I feel that day).

I'm just saying, an instrument program is much more flexible, for keyboard players, it's a no brainer..
By sadzik Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:29 pm
Don't hate me but i hear no difference between 16 levels and instrument program.
Try to set in 16 levels original key pad to 4, play for a lil bit and than make instrument program, set original key to G_2 and play.
Is there any difference?
Fo real that way i have feeling of 16 levels and much better view to notes.
Peace.
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By TYPO Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:07 am
sadzik wrote:Don't hate me but i hear no difference between 16 levels and instrument program.
Try to set in 16 levels original key pad to 4, play for a lil bit and than make instrument program, set original key to G_2 and play.
Is there any difference?
Fo real that way i have feeling of 16 levels and much better view to notes.
Peace.

I do not even no where to begin with this statement.Have you even used a hardware
sampler?Have you even made a chromatic program using a actual instrument/samples?Auto chromatic and inst program are all wonderfully
different displays of JJ Jenius.16 LEVELS is almost void at this stage in the game.