s950 vs. MPC 60- Difference in Sound???

Is there a real difference in the sound of these 2?? Primo uses both and I can't tell when he's using one or the other.

the s900 is the same as the mpc 60 at 40hz, the s950 goes to 48hz though so its a little more clear..

pretty much the same sound though

why would you want an s900 or 950 if you already got the 60?
is there a difference in the sound of the 60, and the 60MK2 ?

the 900 & 950 have filters and you can keymap perhaps?

"is there a difference in the sound of the 60, and the 60MK2 ?"

no.

first of all, the mpc-60 doesn't have the ability to filter samples. the s950 on the other hand does. the VCF on the 950 is one of the most fantastic features available. if you wanna know what sampling techniques Premier is using for his beats I believe it's like this - basically i heard he uses his s950 for all music recording and drum break samples and the mpc-60 is used as a midi sequencer to control all these sounds and organize songs. he doesn't sample anything into the 60. don't ask me why. i'm not sure he even uses those two pieces of equipment anymore. that was back in 93-98. i also know for a fact that when he used to sample his drums he'd keep sections of the original drum breaks intact as in - he'd sample the hats subsequent to the kick and snare. like kick hat - snare hat - so when he'd play out a sample he would not only get this ill swing but he'd also retain a lot of the original verb and decay on the snares as well as the fullness of the kicks. listen to JERU's first album where this style is most prevalent. personally, i find the 950 edit screen to be a major pain in the ass when truncating drums so i don't know if this is all true.

oh. if you listen to DWYCK on HARD TO EARN that bassline is all S950. Also check out anything done by the 45 king. That dude used the s950 forever ago. you can take note of the s950 basslines by the ringy noise filter - for personal reference sample something into the 950 and take the VCF filter from 99 to around 30 or better yet to 0. You'll be sure to hear it.
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I have both. 60 and 900.

Another function i notice on the 900 to the 60 is:

The Envelopes: the 900/950 has A.D.S.R and the 60 only A.D

The Splice Parameters: in the 900/950 u can double the Samples.

That sound very good on drums and give them more punch.

I also miss the filter on the 60 to make sub-kicks vor layering.

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Before i got my 60, i trigger´d the 900 from Cubase SX. So the timing sucks.

Now i´m happy to have a 60, were i can sequence the drums internally.

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What do you guy´s think?

Is there a difference between sequenceing internally or sequence the 900 over Midi?

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Ok, sorry for my broken english, i´m from Austria (Vienna)

not from the mpc 60, but if your sequencing from cubase you will have to deal with your soundcards latency..

how does sustain work on a drum sound ?

erkl wrote:not from the mpc 60, but if your sequencing from cubase you will have to deal with your soundcards latency..

how does sustain work on a drum sound ?

Sound card latency has to do with audio not midi.

Erkl,
think about that old school 808 boom.
Just like on the original 808 the sustain is the decay time of the sound.
short sustain = Boooom
long sustain = Booooooooooommmm

The reason Primo used the S-900/950 with the MPC was because he originally used an SP with the S-900/950.
He was used to using the unit so he stayed with it when he went to the MPC.
He's using them together more for the difference in features not actual sound.
The difference in features cause the sound difference.

I prefer the MPC3000/2000xl with 12-bit rack samplers more than using a MPC60.

Its the other way around.. The soundcards' latency has nothing to do with the audio itself. Instead it affects VST and VSTi, DX and DXi, RTAS, Audiosuite, etc. So when audio is routed thru vst, latency is noticable. When you hit a key for triggering a VST instrument, latency can be heared again.

ikke wrote:Its the other way around.. The soundcards' latency has nothing to do with the audio itself. Instead it affects VST and VSTi, DX and DXi, RTAS, Audiosuite, etc. So when audio is routed thru vst, latency is noticable. When you hit a key for triggering a VST instrument, latency can be heared again.

Sound card latency is the delay caused by the audio being converted from analog to digital, digital to analog or both.
Even if you aren't using plugs there is latency.
The plug latency is another factor.
When using a DAW the factors on latency will always be the latency of the conversion (sound card), any plug in delay (most quality plugs have minimal delay or compensation) and bad midi timing (if you computer is being taxed or you have a lot of daisy chaining going on).
Sound card latency kills you when you are trying to play new info with existing tracks on the computer since what you hear and what you are playing will not actually be the same.
Plug-in latency kills you because it causes phase issues with the sound.
Midi timing or a taxed CPU means when you push buttons or play keys things respond slowly.
Again all different types of latency caused by and resolved by different things.