Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By incurablebeatlust Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:42 pm
I twisted my knee pretty severely on saturday so im at home for a week. Just last week i got another crate or so from my local dig, i had been to busy to go through them thoroughly until now. Ive found many recognizable samples and thankfully a sh!t-ton of unrecognizable ones. so ive been beatin out one quality seq. a day. they need a mix for sure but the changes and programming are all there..
pretty far off topic but anybody w/ peter tosh 'steppin razor' throw it on its worth the spin..
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By cyrus Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:15 pm
Philly Stress wrote:I just saw the new issue of Scratch magazine where Scram Jones ( Tragedy khadafi, TerrorSquad) said he makes 17-20 Tracks a day,WOW!(Yeah-Right!)


I "could" make that many tracks a day....but is it worth it? i mean, all you gotta do is lay down a 2 bar drum loop, and a bassline and you got a track.

Its the sampling, melody, layering, digging, sound design, and arranging that make a track hot. And thats the shit that takes time....not the acutally drums and bass-thats easy.

I mean, i could see it if all you used where presets, or if you built your library so big, that yould have enough to work with.

Personally, i make a track, it leads to another track, then to another, then to one i finish in one sitting. So i make about 5 tracks, but they really are just variations, or sketches to the final one.

I got a friend who makes like 10 a day....... But they all sound similar. No matter what its good practice, but at some point you have to focus on quality not speed.

peace
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By binger0 Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:56 pm
it just doesnt take me as long as it used to, to get results. I used to make a track a week, but im starting to get my shi* together and im just quicker. I just work on em till i feel there finished. Its not really a race, but if u do start trying to do one a day, u will get quicker cause u develop a system. But yeah i feel that u should just work on it till it sounds done. If that takes u a week so be it. It happens to usally take me 3 or 4 hours from start to finish. but im in the lab all day so that aint really a prob to do like 2 or 3 a day.
By jonespnice Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:12 pm
Philly Stress wrote:I just saw the new issue of Scratch magazine where Scram Jones ( Tragedy khadafi, TerrorSquad) said he makes 17-20 Tracks a day,WOW!(Yeah-Right!)

WOW!(Yeah-Right!) I agree with you philly stress. I think that's impossible to do. Maybe you he can make 20 beats in a day but he can't do it on a regular basis. S@*t prince can't make 20 beats a day everyday or even every other day.
I'll be honest, I'm happy if I make 3-4 songs in a week, I mean you have to get a chord progression or search for a good sample, create a dope melody, bassline, ect. and then equalize and mix everything, arrange it.
I mean, if your beat isn't complete it's just a sketch and not a song, I guess I could make 10-15 sketches a day.
Yo, just my 2 cents. Peace.

By shocks Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:26 pm
i dont think ive ever finished a beat

but seriously il make 1-2 in a sitting every couple days. sometimes i wont even turn the mpc on for a week if im really busy. then some days i make a bunch. then there is always putting them on the computer, that takes another sitting to do a couple

By ILL DIAMOND Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:27 am
WORD!!
I guess i'm the only one with a full time job, a wife and kids. LOL LOL :-)
I'm lucky if i can get anything done with a wife and a kid. so mostly i just do tracks after 10pm til 1 or 2. But on the average i mostly get about 2 to 3 songs a week. and out of the 3 maybe 1 might be a keeper. But I guess the main factor would be if that was my job, as in if i got paid to do tracks I'm thinking i could do about 10 songs a month if i didn't have other things pressing for my time.
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By Toecutter Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:30 am
I make one beat in a sitting, concentrate on the one at a time. Sometimes I even go back to it to tweak things.... Sometimes I put in some overtime and do two in a night. So, how long are your sittings/sessions? Mine are anywhere from a half hour to three or four hours, I work on my own time I'm not punching clocks...
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By binger0 Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:37 am
it all depends. sometimes 1 hr or sometimes 6 hrs. just however fast its comin along. but i really dont think a good hip hop song should take u more then 6 hrs.
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By DA RIPPER Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:12 am
i dont know how many producers have came to my studio with 4 or 8 bar loops calling them complete beats but more money for me and a co pruduction credit ive done this so much the word has gotten out and a lot of times i get hired to go to other studios to finsh and correct other people beats
a beat is not conplete till its arrange and sequence and even then most times afther u get the vocals on the track u still have to go back and make some changes especially if u made the beat without knowing how the song goes i hate that and u can diffently tell when u liston to it so most of the times i make a track i make the song up as im going and sell the track and the song and just do the right paper work

especially 9 out of ten times when u do and r&b beat before the song is written and u do the lead melody it will have to change or the key will have to change to fit the song and the way the singer is singing it or u will have a real mess own your hands

i dont sample so it takes me a liittle longer to get where im going plus i dont use just one machine so im all over da place no 15 min beats fo me plus i like to make my own sounds or tune a preset to fit the song im making i know a lot of producers that use just straight presets becase they dont take the time to learn thier equipment so i guess they can do a gang of sound a like beats a day :roll:

By cynic Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:29 am
quality not quantity...

it's not about how many beats you make per day...what about how many QUALITY tracks you make that sound different and interesting per day?

a full track takes me AT LEAST a week to get all perfected. dunno bout yall...maybe i'm just slow.

By Qwerty Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:06 am
i make one rough draft every sitting.. which has been almost daily for a few days now. using nothing but samples from random records is really time consuming but worth it.
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By binger0 Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:11 am
yeah well here are a few that only took me a few hours to make.
www.soundclick.com/djhaze as i said mad times i only spend a few hours on the track. They are never takin to the next level unless an emcee wants to lay vocals on one.

The mixdown and recordin though will take a week. Im just mainly talking about in this thread is the pre production work. That is what these cats are talkin about in scratch. just the ideas for tracks. Or a basic structure. But honestly i dont think i have spent more then 6 hrs on a track in a very long time. I dont know if that makes me a "good" or "bad" producer but thats how i get down.

By Anders Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:44 pm
DA RIPPER wrote:i dont know how many producers have came to my studio with 4 or 8 bar loops calling them complete beats but more money for me and a co pruduction credit ive done this so much the word has gotten out and a lot of times i get hired to go to other studios to finsh and correct other people beats
a beat is not conplete till its arrange and sequence and even then most times afther u get the vocals on the track u still have to go back and make some changes especially if u made the beat without knowing how the song goes i hate that and u can diffently tell when u liston to it so most of the times i make a track i make the song up as im going and sell the track and the song and just do the right paper work

especially 9 out of ten times when u do and r&b beat before the song is written and u do the lead melody it will have to change or the key will have to change to fit the song and the way the singer is singing it or u will have a real mess own your hands

i dont sample so it takes me a liittle longer to get where im going plus i dont use just one machine so im all over da place no 15 min beats fo me plus i like to make my own sounds or tune a preset to fit the song im making i know a lot of producers that use just straight presets becase they dont take the time to learn thier equipment so i guess they can do a gang of sound a like beats a day :roll:


That's the kinda ish I'm working with too...
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By bricks Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:03 pm
I USUALLY WORK ON FEW BUT STICK TO THE SONG FORMAT,WHEN I HEAR PRODUCERS DOING 10 TO 20 A DAY,WELL THEY HAVE DEADLINES AND THEIR IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE OF INDUSTRY DEMAND,AND THATS WHY MUSIC HAS NO SOUL,ITS ALL GENERIC

By cynic Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:59 pm
i guess a lot of it has to do with what you're using it for in final...how many of you actually lay vocals down over your own tracks? i make all the tracks for myself, so i want them to be perfect.

i feel you on the scratch idea though. i can knock out 2-5 in a day if i wanted to.