Hardware Vintage mode mystery uncovered

sensei wrote:
But you believe AKAI/NUMARK!

Ask them to prove it!?

JAH wrote:

sensei wrote:
But you believe AKAI/NUMARK!

Ask them to prove it!?

I have both MPCs so I can listen, judge, and form my own opinion.

I was hoping Tutor, Hellfire, etc would post samples...but I had to do it myself since it appears so many are 'interested' in Vintage mode....and not necessarily the truth.

sensei wrote:I'm not that concerned, but the false advertising is a concern that many people have.

My point was you should apply your reasoning to both sides!

Anything can be used to make good music, but when you are making false claims as a company that should be taken to task!

JAH wrote:I was hoping Tutor, Hellfire, etc would post samples...but I had to do it myself since it appears so many are 'interested' in Vintage mode....and not necessarily the truth.

jpeg wrote:since jah has the 3000 dude should just load up the same beat in both the 3k and the ren.

record both into a daw using the outputs and post the resulting wavs unlabelled and we shall see if peeps can tel the ren from the real 3k.

and if u also have a 60 do the same.

but ok so there is not dsp chip and the emulation is taking place on the software level.

i can accpet that but are we also saying that the output on the ren are not the same as the outputs on the 3k?

thats very bad by nuakai cos the whole isea of using the same outs was to get the output sound to be even closer to the 3k

JAH wrote:

labcoats wrote:When I get my hands on a Renaissance I will of course be doing a midi timing test on their specially written USB midi driver which they claim will ensure the tighter timing than anyone elses midi interface when triggering external midi modules and synths.

JAH wrote:I was listening to Dan speak about the MPC Ren again..watched this dozens of times (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-3ZTxgDyis). And several things stood out to me:

1. It's our mission to make sure the pads feel right
2. Creating a custom low latency USB audio driver
3. Creating a custom MIDI driver; 10x faster than standard MIDI
4. LCD data communicated using a private port; pad MIDI data won't interfere w/LCD
5. Touch sensitive Qlinks (rotary pots)
6. Making a committment to update the software, constantly add new features
7. Acknowledges JJ OS...conscious about what Akai customers like about the JJ OS

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In the context of Dan's interview, he was discussing how to capture low latency with the Ren as compared to hardware MPCs. Akai's goal was sub 5 ms latency.

This statement "Creating a custom MIDI driver; 10x faster than standard MIDI"...versus your statement that boasts "ensure the tighter timing than anyone elses midi interface when triggering external midi modules and synths"....

Labcoats, is this what you meant?

These two statements are not saying the samething. Or are you referring to another interview/report?

MPC-Tutor wrote:Back on track though. This topic is not about whether or not Vintage mode sounds like an MPC3000, that's covered in a separate topic or five. This is about whether akai were feeding us all marketing BS about the 'mp3000' analogue circuitry they used in the Ren - i.e. what MPC3000 circuitry exists in the Ren, is that circuitry the actual true source of the MPC3000 'sound'.

labcoats wrote:The whole soundcard deal was intended to be some kind of pacifier to suggest its a hardware MPC - of sorts - a bit insulting imho to treat us like idiots.

MPC-Tutor wrote:is about whether akai were feeding us all marketing BS about the 'mp3000' analogue circuitry they used in the Ren - i.e. what MPC3000 circuitry exists in the Ren, is that circuitry the actual true source of the MPC3000 'sound'.

Akai NAMM Press Release wrote:MPC Renaissance changes the output characteristics of the sound to match that of the intended machine so users seeking that sound can easily get it. In addition, the analog output circuitry in MPC Renaissance is identical to the highly regarded MPC3000.