Anybody Else Not Sampling? **NO BEEF PLEASE**

if ur not comfortable with sampling dont do it it aint for u.


the reason u aint comfortable is because u have bowed to the social pressure that conditions u to think sampling is just stealing and not artistic.

and cos u have been judging the inventiveness and creativity of sampling off the works of puffy and kayne.

if u know how to flip sounds and put shit together sampling can be a very liberating pursuit.

i sample , i use vst synths and romplers.

sometimes i use both on the same track, there is room for all methods its all about hwo u put shit together and ur creative vision.

but i dont automatically think that if u dont sample ur a better producer then an entirely sample based producer, that whole skool of thought is erroneous imo.

but do what u like.


keep it fresh ideas use different vsts, and use different types of instuments then just the standard midi type sounds

jpeg wrote:if ur not comfortable with sampling dont do it it aint for u.


the reason u aint comfortable is because u have bowed to the social pressure that conditions u to think sampling is just stealing and not artistic.

and cos u have been judging the inventiveness and creativity of sampling off the works of puffy and kayne.

Actually no
I just can't find the stuff I'd want to sample.
I've really really tried ever so hard.

maximum robot wrote:Actually no
I just can't find the stuff I'd want to sample.
I've really really tried ever so hard.

Can you explain?

confused by maximum robot....
maybe you should elaborate..

Myself, I love to sample. and I will sample anything I feel will fit into a tune that I am building.
Only times I will not take a sample even though it is incredibley dope.. is when I have too many respects to the song as that I will not touch it...
yet...
This can be the case when I have known a song since childhood years.
If I take a piece out of a song like that... the result should ... be worthy, I guess..

Let's just say that instead of sampling I like to compose by jamming and recording with MPC and real instruments

It is easier to me to start just playing some riffs with a guitar over a simple drumbeat.
Then record synths/organs, bass and percussion as the beat grows.
I play all my synth/organ stuff with a midi keyboard to MPC.
MPC is hooked with Roland JV-2080 synth module.
At some point I'm getting also Access Virus C.

Like I said in my previous post, I should sample atleast all my organs to MPC through a GT-Pro and amp.

I record guitar and bass parts to MPC through a Boss Gt-Pro + Line6 FM-Pro combo.
Those are hooked to mixer, aux1 going to MPC rec in.
I also try to create soundcapes using guitar, my humble fx-rack + KP3, Audio Tracks and resampling.
When resampling, I'm using all six mono outs of the MPC1K wired to mixer and fx-units sent back to MPC rec in or casette 6 track mtr.

All i use for drums are chopped breaks and all the tr-x0x samples.
I've made few programs layering and resampling just those.
I'm planning to get Elektron MDUW for added (techno) dubbyness and fx/soundscape.

Basically I treat my MPC as a drummer with patience, multitrack recorder/looper and MIDI sequencer for synths.
My dear mobile and adaptable studio without computer and that goddamn mouse.
When jamming at my friends i usually connect MPC to Ableton or Reason just to get synth sounds easy.

EDIT:
Here is some examples of a sound i'm trying to achieve.

I started off sampling and I love sampling so much but lately I've been focused on making original beats and getting good at playing the keys. You can also sample yourself playing and chop it up like a sample which is the best of both worlds. I really just love the sound of vinyl so much and you cannot replicate it, but making originals is really a lot of fun too.

Maximum,
I don't think people were confused as to what your setup was... I think people were confused as to why someone with an MPC is saying there's no sample in the world that achieve what your after... Something I'm still confused about myself.

You use your own riffs? So are you recording little bits or just using your MPC as an audio track recorder? Also Making soundscapes is awesome with samples, Infact I find it really inspiring to make soundscapes with samples instead of instruments espcially when you resample! in terms of using instruments/synths You could multi sample your instruments across your pads on the MPC etc.. I prefer doing that rather than a bunch of static loops that will always be just that one riff..

I think people were just curious to see what your justifications were for stating that there are basically no samples that could achieve what your after. Could you tell us specifically what you want todo but are unable to at this point? So far I don't see anything that wouldn't benefit from a little experimentation with sampling. Also sampling yourself is still sampling....

I'm not doubting your experience with your own music making, Ive just never heard a good reason for ignoring an awesome tool for music making in any sense. So I feel obligated to free you of your restrictions...

I sample a lot. But mostly single shot and my own recorded (acoustic or synth) material.
Come to think of it, only time I use midi is so to trigger synth sounds I'm recording.

OP i think you're making a mistake deciding from the get go not to sample, find out where your talent lies by doing both types.

I've stopped sampling because I felt I got stagnant with it. I have been making beats for 10 years and the bulk of that time I spent working with samples even though I started out making keyboard beats first. I started sampling in my 2nd year and spend the next 7 or 8 years doing it. Its a lot of fun but I needed a change of pace and vsts have gotten good enough to really make some good sounding stuff that reminds me of the stuff I sampled provided I play it correctly so now I mainly play keys.

Let me just ask everybody a question .....why did you start making beats? Which producer made you want to be a beatmaker? Then your answers don't seem to support the essence of hip hip....I can't knock anyone in this post but if you started beatmaking because of the love of hip hop..... sampling could never be wack to you.....your favorite beatmakers all sample and will never stop sampling....and their sound has not stagnated ....it only got better like fine wine.....without sampling no premo, Pete rock, ditc the list goes on.....and In my educated not so educated opinion sampled beats just sound better and have more flavor than non sampled beats .....sampled beats just evoke so much feeling and enhances mood that it really can change your day.....not to say non sampled beats aren't mad nice to but no song in any genre of music has touched more deeply than they reminisce over you ....literally was 5 when it dropped and as I got older I knew from that one song what I wanted to do.....sample and make beats.....it's all in where you mind is and I could never not sample dusty thick drums and soulful jazzy funky breaks....I hate library sounds with a passion to much has to be done to it to take enhance its already generic sound....just my humble not so humble opinion .....

i started off not sampling, as i learned more about hiphop and the producers i loved i moved into sampling, learning the art you know.

i move from sampling to not sampling pretty often, i might get sick of sampling and spend three months making original tunes, then go back to sampling. i always found a mixture of the two always keeps my playing skills good and my sampling ear sharp.....

i made three beats this year that are orignal tunes, and in my own eyes, are almost better than any of the sampled beats i have made this year.

Plus nothign sharpens your playing ability like some original score