Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs
By Clint Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:45 pm
I haven't spoken to Roger about anything to do with the book. Nor has anything he said to me affected my opinion of the man and his pioneering achievements. Nobody has to agree or disagree with my personal opinion. I just put my personal thoughts out there to add to this discussion. I can respect alternative views, that's the nature of debate.

I'm glad he got the Technical Grammy, he deserved some official recognition. Dude is a legend.
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By psr Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:35 am
clint246clint wrote:I haven't spoken to Roger about anything to do with the book. Nor has anything he said to me affected my opinion of the man and his pioneering achievements. Nobody has to agree or disagree with my personal opinion. I just put my personal thoughts out there to add to this discussion. I can respect alternative views, that's the nature of debate.

I'm glad he got the Technical Grammy, he deserved some official recognition. Dude is a legend.

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By master-ceo Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:24 am
clint246clint wrote:
I'm glad he got the Technical Grammy, he deserved some official recognition. Dude is a legend.


:smoker:
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By Pastor-of-Muppets Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:30 am
MPC-Tutor wrote:
JAH wrote:But do most users really want innovation from an MPC? Or do they just want popular features found in other hardware samplers/workstations and DAWs? This forum suggests the latter.


End users are not product engineers/designers - they don't tend to think in terms of innovation until they realise it's happened and become gobsmacked over how it's completely changed their whole user experience for the better - until that point, they are just happy to see their little gripes 'fixed'. Akai's normal way of fixing gripes is tweak the existing OS or hardware normally by 'additive' methods. Add an extra button, make the screen bigger, make the MPC bigger to etc.

An innovative approach would be to look at those issues at a more basic level and ask themselves 'Perhaps we're just doing this all wrong. What can we do to completely improve this from a fundamental level? What technology is available to us to change the way the MPC deals with this?'.

End users don't think like that (why should they?), which is why 'asking the forum' for feature suggestions, or observing discussions from afar without directly engaging back and forth with the engineers and product designers is unlikely to lead to any true innovation. You can't expect your customers to suggest the innovation to you.

Rather than 'You asked for this, so we added it', I'd prefer to see 'You asked for this and after investing $$$$$$ researching it, we realized we've been fundamentally doing it all wrong, especially considering the new tech available now' So we went back to the drawing board and came up with this - not only does it fix your gripes, it completely rethinks everything.


Exactly.

As Henry Ford (maybe) said, "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."

Breeding faster homing pigeons didn't lead to the internet, and breeding faster horses didn't lead to steam trains and cars. Asking users what they want usually gets you nowhere.
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By JAH Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:14 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:
JAH wrote:I think he doesn't fully understand what MPC users today want as the Tempest doesn't even come close. While it may be sought after in some genres...but it really is a boring product IMO.

He makes an analog drum machine, and you are surprised that it doesn't come close to an MPC?

Do you understand the difference between an analog drum machine and an MPC, and the different markets for each?

It is a really boring product to you, because it is not an innovative new MPC (like Akai's innovative new MPC's?), yet it is sought after in some genres, you know, those that utilize analog drum machines rather than sampling drum machines.

I would see that as being successful, that he fully understands what analog drum machine users today want as the Tempest seems to come close, and as you say is sought after in the genres where that sort of instrument is used. You are obviously not it's target market, and users in those genres would most probably see it as innovative.


I am surprised after 5 years since first hyping up his partnership with Dave Smith and talking about a next level sampling workstation...all there is to show for it is a Dave Smith synth with a Roger Linn sequencer from the 90s aka Tempest.
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By Metatron72 Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:19 pm
JAH wrote:[
I am surprised after 5 years since first hyping up his partnership with Dave Smith and talking about a next level sampling workstation...all there is to show for it is a Dave Smith synth with a Roger Linn sequencer from the 90s aka Tempest.


It's actually closer to a modified Roger Linn 80's sequencer from what I've heard in interviews and the coder Pym's post at GS. So maybe you can like Tempest even less if you like.
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By Metatron72 Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:34 pm
scoobylol wrote:On the plus side at least when Linn releases a product it actually does what he says it can on his adverts.


Well to be fair they made it clear on the initial release that features would be added later. But it was made very clear to buyers which is good.
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By scoobylol Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:39 pm
You mean a company that operates with common sense and honesty regarding buyers and users?

Oh to live in a world where other companies would not only steal Linn's product ideas but his apparent operating model regarding customer service issues. :roll:
By Clint Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:51 pm
There seems to be a black hole in the content of this thread. The relevance of any Linn products that came after the MPC3000 and before the DSI Tempest. That's at least a 15 year period of the story and covers the work of Roger Linn Designs.

Any of these product users/ owners feel free to chime in here with your thoughts...
By daftmunk Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:21 pm
^ pretty sure he made those as a little side project being himself a guitarist..
but honestly i don't think the adrenalinn's are that relevant/important to the discussion,
as they're essentially guitar stomp boxes. when i think Linn products i think:
LM1,LM2,Linn900,ASQ10, MPC60/3000, Tempest (& hopefully LinnDrum II)
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By Coz Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:40 pm
daftmunk wrote:but honestly i don't think the adrenalinn's are that relevant/important to the discussion,
as they're essentially guitar stomp boxes.




Feeding samples through stomp boxes generates a lot of sonic potential. Especially as the effects and modulation of most MPCs aren't that great.
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By Metatron72 Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:00 pm
Coz wrote:
daftmunk wrote:but honestly i don't think the adrenalinn's are that relevant/important to the discussion,
as they're essentially guitar stomp boxes.




Feeding samples through stomp boxes generates a lot of sonic potential. Especially as the effects and modulation of most MPCs aren't that great.


If I recall the Black Box from M-Audio licensed a lot of the Adrenlinn's guts. I think Fobe may have one.