Ableton: How to warp vinyl loops

as the title says:
what`s the best way to warp vinyl samples (mostly loops, fe. basslines, guitars, orchester stuff from the 60s to 70s and what not...) to sync to an already recorded drumbeat from my mpc.

do you have any tips, cause i am lost...

thanks

dreadnutz wrote:as the title says:
what`s the best way to warp vinyl samples (mostly loops, fe. basslines, guitars, orchester stuff from the 60s to 70s and what not...) to sync to an already recorded drumbeat from my mpc.

do you have any tips, cause i am lost...

thanks

It's Ableton, any way you want. If any hit/beat doesn't sync double-click a warp marker and make it fit.

The types of sounds you mentioned would be best served by using Complex/Complex Pro as it's designed to deal with samples that may have more than one musical element and/or cover a more dynamic frequency range. For an isolated bass or guitar I might occasionally use Tone or Texture as the warp algorithm.

Don't forget too that if you want to impart the timing/swing of samples that are from live players into your programmed parts you can extract the groove from sample and apply it's timing on your programs.

thanks metratron

yes, complex mode is the most used one...

for me the programmed beat from my mp should be the reference, but when i want to apply the groove to vinyl loops it always sounds weird.
hard to describe.
also ableton mostly guesses the (ghost) warpmarkers wrong.

are you successfull with ableton sampling/warping? do you set a warpmarker for every transient?

seems i have to try harder...

dreadnutz wrote:thanks metratron

yes, complex mode is the most used one...

for me the programmed beat from my mp should be the reference, but when i want to apply the groove to vinyl loops it always sounds weird.
hard to describe.
also ableton mostly guesses the (ghost) warpmarkers wrong.

are you successfull with ableton sampling/warping? do you set a warpmarker for every transient?

seems i have to try harder...

Not every transient but I do find myself having to add more than than the automatic warping usually applies and I tend to have to nudge them quite a bit.

As good as Live's warping is it's always a tricky proposition when dealing with samples that had live players. You're almost always dealing with tempos and swing that have more variance than most quantized programming even using higher quantize resolutions.

Maybe try to get the samples from records in Live to be a little closer to hard quantized but not all the way retaining some of the groove of the original sample. From there maybe turn off Timing Correct completely on the MPC and try to program underneath the samples in Live. Sometimes the placement of notes in the MPC sequences might look kinda off, but if it sounds good just run with it.

I realize I'm describing solutions that are almost the opposite of what you're asking. If it's best for you to make the record samples match the MPC programmed sounds maybe after you get the vinyl loops warped, right cllick/slice to MIDI and then you'll have the sample chopped into smaller chunks. Sometimes that's a much easier way to make stuff fit rather than relying on the whole loop playing continuously.

thanks, seems a good point, will try it...

ableton... always a love/hate thing for me...

I have to agree with metatron as well,
I almost always have to turn timing correction off on my MPC when laying drums down over a vinyl loop to get things to hit right. It's amazing how much a few ticks can make a difference in that situation, well in any situation actually...I would only get all ableton on it if I still couldn't get it to flow correctly with TC off.

yeah, i`ve done this alot in the mp (at least on the 25k)

but i am kind of drum fanatic and enjoy it more to fiddle with a drumbeat (even if it takes a few hours) until it sounds the way i like it (lot of ghostnotes, tuning, envelope curves, filter, shifting back and forth..., you know that sh!t ) and then start adding stuff on the top... for me the groove is the most important thing (my own groove) and i have better results when this sh!t bangs and could stand alone w/o instruments

the other thing is i have a great collection of drumsamplers: mpc3k, sp1200, studio 440 where i only have floppy disks and doing drums on them...

but anyway...

for me abletons biggest advantage is to browse through samples/loops while a beat is going...
to be honest: i know live since version 3 and had not done more than fire up loops with it... i mean all this maxforlive, audioracks etc. is a pretty nurdstuff and sounds so crappy IMHO and i have never seen a video about it with good music

maybe i am getting old, but i was way more impressed by 90s electronic with "simple" gear than that ableton live crap music at least the most of them)

i mean, i`ve watched a king britt vid on youtube where he does ableton live performances...
compare this to his great stuff from the mpc2k time




i have reason 5 also and it seems far more on the point...