Internal memory question

BASorry, about all my questions. Thus far. I but i search Google and this forum before I post. Anyhow I was wonderin if the mpc is supposed to save programs and songs internally so if you turn it off and back on your stuff is still on the mpc.. I ask because mine has upgraded mem and what's the point in extra mem if it doesn't save anything without a floppy disk

ram is volatile - it is lost when you turn the machine off.

webbb82 wrote:I ask because mine has upgraded mem and what's the point in extra mem if it doesn't save anything without a floppy disk

because you can store more stuff in usable memory. you load it up from floppy at the beginning, and then it's there to be accessed instantly as you wish.


there was a special add on called the ROM card that was non-volatile, meaning it would always have the stuff in it, but i believe it was only 2mb and is hard to find / expensive / probably not worth it.

if you save an aps or an all file in the root of your disk, it will load those automatically as you turn the machine on.

The extra memory allows for more sample time and the ability to store more sounds in memory at a time. When working with stereo 16bit samples, 2mb of standard memory is very little...

There is an expensive flash memory option you can buy, that will allow you to store the operating system internally but it's not worth it IMHO considering everything else still has to be saved/loaded too and from the flash memory so it's basically like have a few floppy disks stored in your machine internally.

Damn you tapedeck!

tapedeck wrote:there was a special add on called the ROM card that was non-volatile, meaning it would always have the stuff in it, but i believe it was only 2mb and is hard to find / expensive / probably not worth it.

FlashROM
8MB
Yes, hard to find and expensive

The 8MB is added to the internal RAM, to give an additional 8MB of sample memory, to take the maximum memory up to 40MB, since it plays back the samples out of the FlashROM, rather than loading them into RAM like normal samples from disc/memory card.

SimonInAustralia wrote:

tapedeck wrote:there was a special add on called the ROM card that was non-volatile, meaning it would always have the stuff in it, but i believe it was only 2mb and is hard to find / expensive / probably not worth it.

FlashROM
8MB
Yes, hard to find and expensive

The 8MB is added to the internal RAM, to give an additional 8MB of sample memory, to take the maximum memory up to 40MB, since it plays back the samples out of the FlashROM, rather than loading them into RAM like normal samples from disc/memory card.

In another topic, someone who recently purchased it said they still had to load the sounds from the flash rom into volatile rom to use them.

maxilla wrote:

harmonicj wrote: wrote:
one thing people always overlook about the flash ROM is that it adds to the total RAM you have 40MB total. I didn't know about these formatting issues though, obviously youve consulted the 3 addendum manuals?

if I remember it right, no word on the FLASH-ROM in the addendums. you have to load the data from the rom into the ram, to use it...

Not as concrete as remembered but in my 2000 you have to goto the load screen and scroll to the flashrom to load stuff. Which Would lead me to believe its sepreate from the standard ROM and not read by the machine. I think you can save an All programs files which will auto load on startup like you can on a disk but it dosnt make it 40mb internal memory...

thank you for the correction - it was 8mb.

probably was confused with the default 2mb onboard ram.

m56p87 wrote:In another topic, someone who recently purchased it said they still had to load the sounds from the flash rom into volatile rom to use them. I'll go find the topic right now, on my iPad so I'll have to edit my post.

You apparently still have to load them, but it loads a pointer to the sample on the FlashROM, to playback the sample from the FlashROM when triggered, rather than loading the actual sample into RAM, to playback the sample from RAM when triggered.

So, same loading process, but is supposed to not take up any (or very much) RAM space, compared to actually loading the sample into RAM.

That is how I read it, I have not tested it, hope to find a FlashROM eventually and give it a go.

SimonInAustralia wrote:You apparently still have to load them, but it loads a pointer to the sample on the FlashROM, to playback the sample from the FlashROM when triggered, rather than loading the actual sample into RAM, to playback the sample from RAM when triggered.

So, same loading process, but is supposed to not take up any (or very much) RAM space, compared to actually loading the sample into RAM.

That is how I read it, I have not tested it, hope to find a FlashROM eventually and give it a go.

interesting, so it basically creates a shortcut to the flashrom in the internal memory? Which allows you to play them back and such? I wonder what would happen with truncation, if it would copy the new version into the main memory? Or adjust the sound in flash rom? Yeah I'd love to fuqks with one as well, i think its called the fmx-008? But everytime I look it up its like 500$ minimum so eff that.

m56p87 wrote:interesting, so it basically creates a shortcut to the flashrom in the internal memory? Which allows you to play them back and such?

Yes, I was surprised when I first read about it recently, so I checked it in the manual.

From the MPC2000XL Owners Manual...

Flash ROM

By installing the optional flash ROM board FMX008M (which has 8MB of memory), you can save data to the flash ROM. Saving data to the flash ROM saves RAM space.

Editing a Sound within the Flash ROM

When sound data stored in the flash ROM is loaded, only the location information of the data is loaded to the RAM, wave pattern data is not loaded. Therefore, you can handle more data on the RAM. However, to edit wave pattern data within the flash ROM, it is necessary to load it temporarily into the RAM.

- In the same way as you would normally load sounds, load the sound from Flash ROM by holding down SHIFT and pressing LOAD (or 3 on the numeric pad).
- At this point, the wave data has not yet been transferred to the MPC2000XL's RAM.
- Load the same sound again, the wave data will be transferred to the RAM.
- You can perform all the normal editing operations after the wave data has been transferred to the RAM.
- When you have finished editing, save the data back to the flash ROM.
- If you enter the same name as the original data, you can overwrite the [/list]original

SimonInAustralia wrote:

m56p87 wrote:interesting, so it basically creates a shortcut to the flashrom in the internal memory? Which allows you to play them back and such?

Yes, I was surprised when I first read about it recently, so I checked it in the manual.

From the MPC2000XL Owners Manual...

Flash ROM

By installing the optional flash ROM board FMX008M (which has 8MB of memory), you can save data to the flash ROM. Saving data to the flash ROM saves RAM space.

Editing a Sound within the Flash ROM

When sound data stored in the flash ROM is loaded, only the location information of the data is loaded to the RAM, wave pattern data is not loaded. Therefore, you can handle more data on the RAM. However, to edit wave pattern data within the flash ROM, it is necessary to load it temporarily into the RAM.

- In the same way as you would normally load sounds, load the sound from Flash ROM by holding down SHIFT and pressing LOAD (or 3 on the numeric pad).
- At this point, the wave data has not yet been transferred to the MPC2000XL's RAM.
- Load the same sound again, the wave data will be transferred to the RAM.
- You can perform all the normal editing operations after the wave data has been transferred to the RAM.
- When you have finished editing, save the data back to the flash ROM.
- If you enter the same name as the original data, you can overwrite the [/list]original

In other words, DIGGING FOR THIS FMX008M....waste of time and $$$$!
I read that in my manual a few hours ago...but I had to read it on here to be convinced..... as it CLEARLY states...you have to load the **** waveform data anyways if you want to do any kind of editing. If you plan on doing live performances with the MPC 2000XL, I can understand investing in this optional part. IMHO, this is a CLASSIC MACHINE that should never be taken out of your home studio unless to be transported to ANOTHER STUDIO!!! performing live on MPC 2000XL or any classic model = go home your drunk. -end of rant

Input/insight appreciated on above comments^

three36ixx wrote:In other words, DIGGING FOR THIS FMX008M....waste of time and $$$$!

Yes, they seem very rare, and expensive when you do find them.

The FMX008 does seem to pop up occasionally, but that only works in the MPC2000 classic, not the MPC2000XL.

SimonInAustralia wrote:

three36ixx wrote:In other words, DIGGING FOR THIS FMX008M....waste of time and $$$$!

Yes, they seem very rare, and expensive when you do find them.

The FMX008 does seem to pop up occasionally, but that only works in the MPC2000 classic, not the MPC2000XL.

last post before I pass out and post you those pics Simon

but I quote my MPC 2000XL manual straight from Page 173

FLASH ROM
By installing the optional flash ROM board FMX008M (which has 8mb of memory), you can save data to the flash ROM. Saving data to the flash ROM save RAM space.
When you are installing the flash ROM board, please refer to the manual supplied with it.

three36ixx wrote:but I quote my MPC 2000XL manual straight from Page 173

FLASH ROM
By installing the optional flash ROM board FMX008M (which has 8mb of memory), you can save data to the flash ROM. Saving data to the flash ROM save RAM space.
When you are installing the flash ROM board, please refer to the manual supplied with it.

Is there a question?

The FMX008 and FMX008M are two different things, only the FMX008M works in the MPC2000XL.

SimonInAustralia wrote:

three36ixx wrote:In other words, DIGGING FOR THIS FMX008M....waste of time and $$$$!

Yes, they seem very rare, and expensive when you do find them.

The FMX008 does seem to pop up occasionally, but that only works in the MPC2000 classic, not the MPC2000XL.

Please re-read what I originally posted...no disrespect....You quoted me to start...you forgot I included an M at the end of your quote of my post...I own an XL so I am posting about the FMX008M.

I'll rephrase. if you own a 2000 or XL.. it's not really worth it. like I said you still have to load waveform data anyways!

three36ixx wrote:Please re-read what I originally posted...no disrespect....You quoted me to start...you forgot I included an M at the end of your quote of my post...I own an XL so I am posting about the FMX008M.

I'll rephrase. if you own a 2000 or XL.. it's not really worth it. like I said you still have to load waveform data anyways!

I did read what you posted the first time.

I was simply telling you that there is another version, the FMX008, which does pop up for sale more often than the FMX008M, and that the FMX008 only works in the MPC2000, and not the MPC200XL which needs the FMX008M.

I was pointing that out, so that you don't make the mistake of buying the FMX008, thinking that it will work in your MPC2000XL.

I think it is worth it, and would buy an FMX008M if there were any available, but most others would not think it was worth it.