Sub-forum for discussion about the DAWs and mobile apps that you use with your MPCs
By Frankensteez Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:59 pm
I'm a longtime MPC 2000 user that wants to integrate software into my setup, so I don't have to leave my house to complete a project. I just bought an MPC Ren and my first MB Pro (maxed out) in order to prepare for this software integration.

I 100% sample vinyl, make beats with at least 8-12 tracks, and want a DAW that will be easy to use with my setup. I'd like to do some minor editing, complete mixdown (maybe even master) and add some synths to my creation...

The age-old question, which DAW is best for my setup? Thanks!
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By Metatron72 Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:15 pm
Good call Coz. I mean who else is going to give you fully functional software that you can pay for on a honor system when you're ready to?

I might add to ask around and see if any friends have a copy of Ableton Live Lite lying around. They are packed into MIDI controller boxes frequently. Even a lite version of Live is a great introduction into some of the more wild stuff in the box beatmaking can offer.

But yeah 12 track mixdown/master and VST host, Reaper's perfect.
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By Metatron72 Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:35 pm
Frankensteez wrote:Thanks! Lots of people telling me to use Logic. Thoughts? Does Reaper have any synths?


No, although it does include some nice FX. Logic is certainly worth the $199 they sell it for now, it used to be much more expensive. Reaper is $60 and you can install the full version straight away. It has a demo/nag screen that says essentially, "after the trial is up it would be cool if you pay me, but if you don't the software is still fully functional". Pretty nice business model on the developer's part.

So even while you weigh the decision might as well install Reaper.

I've got time to kill on this computer today so I'll get some links to some quality freeware VST/AU synths and post those in a bit.
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By Metatron72 Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:08 pm
Free synths -

http://www.u-he.com/cms/podolski (u-he Podolski)

http://www.u-he.com/cms/zebralette (u-he Zebralette)

http://www.amazona.de/index.php?page=26 ... le_id=3978 (u-he Tyrell6, page is in German. Scroll down to blue hotlink "Mac-Version HIER" )

http://www.uvisoundsource.com/article_i ... icles_id=8 (UVI Workstation, a sampler but it has synth type controls and includes some nice patches)

http://www.supremepiano.com/product/piano1.html (Soundmagic Piano 1)

http://kunz.corrupt.ch/ (TAL. Numerous synths and FX, all very nice)

http://www.linplug.com/alpha.html (Linplug Alpha Free)

https://www.camelaudio.com/getfreealchemyplayer.php (Camel Audio Alchemy Player. Asks for email you can untick the newsletter though)

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... -5-player/ (Asks for email to send link and the free serial #, but NI is known to randomly send $30 coupons so I live with their spam)

http://www.mediafire.com/?7vmm5nhal2iy0kd (I took on old Computer Music UK DVD and got the freewarw .dmg's files off it. Synths and FX)

These will all load in Garageband in their AU versions. VST/AU both will load in Reaper.
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By Metatron72 Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:04 pm
Frankensteez wrote:Thank you Meta! SO...if I can afford the $199, go with Logic? Thanks!


Sure. But look at stuff like RootsRenagade just posted and make sure Logic's flow looks like you'd enjoy it. But from a price standpoint it's cheaper than Cubase, Live or Pro Tools. Version X may not be far off so expect to spend more than $199 in the next year to be fully up to date.

Meantime download that free stuff and Reaper and make beats while you decide. :-D
By Roots Renegade Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:38 pm
What is important when it is time to choose a DAW is to know what type of music you want to make, also know your workflow (how are you going to use your DAW ? What for ?). Once you know that, you will know what DAW you need (if you look at comparison videos, read reviews, specifications, etc.) If the DAW you choose is going to play an important role in your music creation process, i suggest you first choose what DAW you need and then wait until you have the budget to buy it. Choosing a DAW only considering your budget is not going to get you where you want to go. Same for an audio interface.

People have different workflows, people use their DAWs in different ways so i recommend you do not choose a DAW simply because people tell you to buy this or that one. Make your own choice based on what you need it for.

Take your time, read on the net, check the different manufacturer's websites, ask about what people like/dislike regarding their DAW of choice, try trial versions and you will be happy with your decision when it is time to buy.

Peace
By dtaa pla muk Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:19 pm
http://music.ratsofnym.com

REAPER kicks ass.

it is a crucial and irreplaceable component of every part of my songwriting process. i use it as a mixer, fx processor, patch bay, midi controller/processor/recorder, wav recorder/warper, macrosampler, and mastering station. i use it for everything - it is as important as jjos to my workflow and i endorse it wholeheartedly.
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By damien907 Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:52 pm
i just skimmed through the thread, but since you have macbook pro, i would def use logic. the 199 pricepoint is golden to boot!

you will have all the right tools to edit (and you can even customize your own key commands) mix and master right out of the box. its pretty amazing how many plugins and instruments they bundled with logic. there is also more usable ones than not usable ones imo, and some of them are even really expensive sounding too!

back when logic was around 500 dollars, my old audio teacher told us he knew a few people that bought logic just because of 1 instrument in there called sculpture, ( if you like synthesis at all youll love this, i didnt ever get it myself, but i only sample, i dont play an instrument) another ridiculously crazy thing they put in there was a convolution reverb, its easily worth the 200 dollar price tag too! with this reverb and a few other tools you can create your own custom reverbs of the room that you are in.

another great thing is the ability to customize pretty much every key command. a few of them i use all the time are this
shift+z:mouse pointer
shift+c marquee tool (i use this instead of the scissors as you can highlight a section and it will chop both ends)
shift+v fade
shift+p pencil tool
[ and ] i use to move forward a bar and move backwards a bar,
R i use to start recording
X opens up the mixer window (it splits the screen half way so the arrange page is still on top and the mixer is on bottom)
P replaces the mixer window with the piano roll editor (or if i push it first it will bring it up as the piano roll instead of the mixer)
ect ect. there is so many options. another really cool thing is the ability to build custom screen sets with the touch of a button. you assign them to the numeric keys, then lock them. then after that you push 1, 2, 3, or 4 ect. and your custom screensets come up.
if you make a template out of these you can get organize your mixes and songs very fast. i usually set my 1 to arrange page, 2 to mixer, and 3 to piano roll.

if you do end up going with logic, there is one key thing you should do right away though. for some reason apple made the metering in logic by default to be set to exponential instead of linear like every other daw in the world. so i would recomend changing it to linear right away then you wont have to worry about wonky meters ever again. just set it and forget it.

here is a link to show you what i am talking about:
http://600hz.blogspot.com/2009/12/look- ... eters.html

overall, if your looking for an all in the box solution without breaking the bank, that has enough effects right out of the box to mix and master all your tracks, i would def go with logic. i like it way more than protools, and to some people that def says something.

along time ago (version 7 and earlier) logic used to be very hard to use as you could customize everything (and you still can) but after version 8 came out they made it (the gui) way more user friendly, and i would say that it just as easy to learn as any other daw. in the past, alot of people only liked logic for its use as a compsition tool, and it really shines in that respect, but now it does mixing and audio just as well as any other daw.
the one thing that protools might do better is editing of audio files, but once you get to know logic, it can be just about as good as protools imo, you just have to fiddle around with some key commands to get it to work how you want it to.

another really cool thing that logic has that protools lacks is the ability to bounce a song to almost any format you could desire. aiff, mp3, wav, ect ect.

you can also click 1 drop down menu button and select "export all tracks as audio files," with alot of other DAW's that ive used in the past, this process is much harder to do.

imo logic is by far the best DAW for bouncing tracks and exporting multitracks.

im still using version 8 and havent had the need to upgrade yet. ive ditched my protools long ago to go logic exclusive. good luck on whatever you choose, but if i were you, id def go logic! :lol: 8)
By yowordiagree Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:36 pm
Originally I was gonna cop the educational version of protools 10 as it was the same price as logic but offered free upgrades. After comin on here lamps of suggested I give reaper a spin. I use reaper as a tape recorder and construct everything within my xl and ad vocals later. Now I can't justify the money for any other software. What I do is pretty basic but reaper has never crashed on me yet an remains rock solid. I have yet to come up against anything that **** up my work flow. I would suggest trying it an use it to work out what u need from a daw. Then start lookin at other software to make a more informed decision. For what it's worth it's my first daw that I've used exclusively at home at rate it highly.