Sampling question 2000 (XL)

Hello all,

When I sample I use timestretch to fit it in my sequence-bpm and then I chop it (if its a loop). But how do the other guys sample without timestretch (like on the 2000, 3000 etc) ? I have a few questions about it.

- Depends the sequence-bpm on your sample bpm ? Because when you use timestretch it doesnt depends. You can turn everything to 90BPM WITHOUT changing the pitch.

- Lets say I have a sample that is 70BPM, and my sequence is on 90BPM and I want to have my sample pitched +30 (from the original). Whats the proces for this ?

I don't think many time stretch on the xl, shit is slow as ****. As far as all in the box you can get creative. There's the poor mans time stretch, you chop your loop into 1/8ths or 16ths and resequence the loop in the sequencer. Now you have a loop with much more boom latitude. I prefer how it sounds when you chop a loop early at the end, with no Bpm change. Shitload of swing. Or build the track around the basic loop, everything you sample doesn't need to be man handled.

Basically time stretching is the only technique I don't employ.

m56p87 wrote:you chop

This.

Thnx for the reactions,

but how can I chop a sample(70BPM) and resequence into a 90BPM-sequence ? It dont fit and the rhythm doesnt match. I try alot but I cant get it, help me out. If the sequence-bpm depends on your sample-bpm than I will understand it, but I see alot beatmakers sample without timestretch and play into a 90BPM sequence. I chop often 1/1 beat ( from kick to snare) do I need to chop into smaller pieces ?

buzina8 wrote:Thnx for the reactions,

but how can I chop a sample(70BPM) and resequence into a 90BPM-sequence ? It dont fit and the rhythm doesnt match. I try alot but I cant get it, help me out. If the sequence-bpm depends on your sample-bpm than I will understand it, but I see alot beatmakers sample without timestretch and play into a 90BPM sequence. I chop often 1/1 beat ( from kick to snare) do I need to chop into smaller pieces ?

That style of chopping usually calls for letting the sounds and their individual transients dictate where the chops are. I don't use my MPC's much anymore so I chop everything based on the length of the note/sound/hit/chord. I know on an MPC equal sized chopping is very, very useful, but to do the BPM changes over 10 BPM I would use the individual hits transients to chop on.

buzina8 wrote:Thnx for the reactions,

but how can I chop a sample(70BPM) and resequence into a 90BPM-sequence ? It dont fit and the rhythm doesnt match. I try alot but I cant get it, help me out. If the sequence-bpm depends on your sample-bpm than I will understand it, but I see alot beatmakers sample without timestretch and play into a 90BPM sequence. I chop often 1/1 beat ( from kick to snare) do I need to chop into smaller pieces ?

You just pitch it up from 70 to 90. Just pitch til it fits perfect into a 90bpm loop.

You could get 10 more posts explaining 10 different ways. There are tons of ways to manipulate loops, each one bringing a different compositional style and groove. It's up to you to find the best method for you and for the track your building. Chopping, pitching, stretching, or a mix of all three, having things cutoff, having things overlap, chopping sloppy on purpose, chopping only by ear, chopping transients on certain hits, recording your drums without quantization... There are endless methods and combinations todo what your after.

Metatron72 wrote:
That style of chopping usually calls for letting the sounds and their individual transients dictate where the chops are......

but to do the BPM changes over 10 BPM I would use the individual hits transients to chop on.

m56p87 wrote:It's up to you to find the best method for you and for the track your building. Chopping, pitching, stretching, or a mix of all three,

Thanks !! This hits me.. appriciated

this is why they have the fine tuning in the mpc's. When you tune, it speeds the sample up or slows it down, so speed up/slow down until it loops at the bpm you want it to loop at.

BUT when tuning samples other than drums, you wanna make sure your tuning in 10 "clicks". Seeing as 10=1 semitone in the mpc. If you tune a sample you grabbed from a record and tune it not in a 10 "click" interval it will be out of tune, unless of course the instrument you sampled from the record was already out of tune to begin with.

tyrone_biggums wrote:this is why they have the fine tuning in the mpc's. When you tune, it speeds the sample up or slows it down, so speed up/slow down until it loops at the bpm you want it to loop at.

it doenst only change the speed, but the pitch changes too. It doenst matter if you tune in trim or program, you'll get the same result. The problem is that I cant figure it out how to speed the sample up but with a lower pitch (without timestretch). For example again: sample (70BPM) into sequence (90BPM), and pitch -30 than original. I can speed it up until 90BPM, but the pitch changes also and if I tune it down, the tempo is the original again. I worked for 4 years with FL + FL Slicer ( i dont know if youre familar with it) and I used timestretch most of the time. I just want to stay away from it from now, to learn the other aspect.