What is your top request for 1.4?

jigdagod wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:11. Proper gain structure for mixing.
12. Gain meters and faders for submixes.
13. Gain meters for Program Mix.

Can we please get this inside the track and program mixers?

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Fixed!

son of man wrote:

IamEdGlass wrote:*Can someone explain to me the difference between audio tracks and samples? I keep hearing people say audio tracks but I not sure why we can't do that now?

*Is there anyway to pull up effects from the hardware? I can't find out how. I'm starting to get more familiar with the hardware and trying not to use the mouse as much.

audio tracks are like audio tracks on a DAW. you can record audio phrases such as guitar riffs and lyrics in time with the the sequencer. however, on the MV, regardless of the initial BPM at which the audio is recorded, it automatically timestretches whenever you change the tempo.

you can pull up insert fx on the insert tab in the program and track mixer pages.

Can you do this from the hardware? If so please provide the commands. Thanks!

DJ Hellfire wrote:
Meh, sounds like too many steps!

If it isn't broke, it doesn't need to be fixed. At least in this regard.

You want to strike a pad and then use a Qlink to adjust start/end points and another to zoom. I want to use Fine Edit which uses data dial to adjust start/end points and F keys for zoom. If implemented properly (as seen in most hardware MPCs), the data dial is best for editing. Akai can completely eliminate the Qlinks and I wouldn’t care as long as the data dial is fully functional.

JAH wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:
Meh, sounds like too many steps!

If it isn't broke, it doesn't need to be fixed. At least in this regard.

You want to strike a pad and then use a Qlink to adjust start/end points and another to zoom. I want to use Fine Edit which uses data dial to adjust start/end points and F keys for zoom. If implemented properly (as seen in most hardware MPCs), the data dial is best for editing. Akai can completely eliminate the Qlinks and I wouldn’t care as long as the data dial is fully functional.

The problem with your method is the single dial! It is WAY LESS efficient to chop with a single dial used for both start and end points vs having dedicated knobs for both start and end. The method you are requesting would require constant cursoring back and forth between the start and end editing fields for each slice just so you can use the single data wheel to chop. I've used this method for the past 15 years on MPC's and let me tell you, the Rens dedicated Q Links are WAY faster!

However, I do agree that your method for data wheel editing should be implemented for anyone that does want to use it!

DJ Hellfire wrote:
Fixed!

Forgot about those. Good catch.

IamEdGlass wrote:

son of man wrote:

IamEdGlass wrote:*Can someone explain to me the difference between audio tracks and samples? I keep hearing people say audio tracks but I not sure why we can't do that now?

*Is there anyway to pull up effects from the hardware? I can't find out how. I'm starting to get more familiar with the hardware and trying not to use the mouse as much.

audio tracks are like audio tracks on a DAW. you can record audio phrases such as guitar riffs and lyrics in time with the the sequencer. however, on the MV, regardless of the initial BPM at which the audio is recorded, it automatically timestretches whenever you change the tempo.

you can pull up insert fx on the insert tab in the program and track mixer pages.

Can you do this from the hardware? If so please provide the commands. Thanks!

Yes! Press shift + effects and select whether you want track or pad effects!

DJ Hellfire wrote:

JAH wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:
Meh, sounds like too many steps!

If it isn't broke, it doesn't need to be fixed. At least in this regard.

You want to strike a pad and then use a Qlink to adjust start/end points and another to zoom. I want to use Fine Edit which uses data dial to adjust start/end points and F keys for zoom. If implemented properly (as seen in most hardware MPCs), the data dial is best for editing. Akai can completely eliminate the Qlinks and I wouldn’t care as long as the data dial is fully functional.

The problem with your method is the single dial! It is WAY LESS efficient to chop with a single dial used for both start and end points vs having dedicated knobs for both start and end. The method you are requesting would require constant cursoring back and forth between the start and end editing fields for each slice just so you can use the single data wheel to chop. I've used this method for the past 15 years on MPC's and let me tell you, the Rens dedicated Q Links are WAY faster!

However, I do agree that your method for data wheel editing should be implemented for anyone that does want to use it!

The way I suggest is what I have been doing since 1997. It is very efficient.

You exaggerate about ‘constant cursoring’. You edit the start point, press right cursor, and then edit the end point. Nothing constant about that.
Plus it is a matter of basic mechanics. The Qlink knobs are significantly smaller in diameter than the data dial. It is much easier to turn the larger data dial; one click increases/decreases a value 1 increment. I don’t get the same tactile feel when using those smooth 360 degree Qlinks. I don’t find the Qlink fast at all. I bypass them altogether as it is faster to use a mouse instead of fumbling with 4 Qlink knobs.

After using hardware MPCs for 16 years and the Ren for almost a year...I find editing samples on hardware MPCs faster than editing using the Ren's hardware.

DJ Hellfire wrote:The problem with your method is the single dial! It is WAY LESS efficient to chop with a single dial used for both start and end points vs having dedicated knobs for both start and end. The method you are requesting would require constant cursoring back and forth between the start and end editing fields for each slice just so you can use the single data wheel to chop. I've used this method for the past 15 years on MPC's and let me tell you, the Rens dedicated Q Links are WAY faster!

Chopping on the 4K isn't exactly lightening quick, but in Trim the Q5 and Q6 After buttons jump between region start and end. It's nice to have in conjunction with the jog... I just can't work out why they made it so you have to audition your region with pad 16 when those buttons are right next to pad 1.

I think the both shift keys on the hardware and software should have the same value. You can't load sounds and stack sounds on one pad from the hardware. You should be able hold the shift button on the hardware.

JAH wrote:

Fanu wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:Zooming and scrolling from the Q-Links instead of the awkward-on-the-wrist Shift+Cursor.

I'd suggest using the start/end (bar) buttons for that.
On 2500 (at least with JJOS), zooming is done with those, and it's handy and PERFECT for zooming.

I agree. Transport buttons are perfect for zooming as seen in the JJ OS. But also the Fine Edit Screen as seen in the MPC 1000, 2000, 2000XL, 2500, 5000, and JJOS is still the perfect way (the MPC way) to zoom in/out to make fine edits. You simply move the cursor over the Sample/Slice start or end parameter and press [Window]. Then the Fine Edit screen is displayed which shows both ends of the waveform. This is perfect for creating loops. The F keys are used for zooming in/out. I would like to see this implemented in the MPC Ren software as well.

This method has been good for over a decade. I have never seen one post in an internet forum indicating an MPC user disliking how an MPC edits in this manner. This is a case of not messing with perfection. This is the workflow for the MPC 1000, 2000, 2000XL, 2500, and 5000...in other words, the majority of MPC users are well-versed in this method.

IamEdGlass wrote:I think the both shift keys on the hardware and software should have the same value. You can't load sounds and stack sounds on one pad from the hardware. You should be able hold the shift button on the hardware.

+1
Yeaaaaah! Also if we can in sample edit mode use the shift + q links to speed thier movement up. When triming long samples it takes a long time and its just not cutting it. No pun intended!

forwerd wrote:1. Optional output per pad(I don't see this requested often, but it was a huge part of my workflow on the hardware MPCs. Many times I want to play multiple parts ,that would be mixed individually, at one time on the same track.)

+1

DJ Hellfire wrote:The problem with your method is the single dial! It is WAY LESS efficient to chop with a single dial used for both start and end points vs having dedicated knobs for both start and end. The method you are requesting would require constant cursoring back and forth between the start and end editing fields for each slice just so you can use the single data wheel to chop. I've used this method for the past 15 years on MPC's and let me tell you, the Rens dedicated Q Links are WAY faster!

+67Million.

Years of making beats. Years of making mad beats. I know efficiency, at least for the way I work. Why have one hand doing two things, when you can just have two hands? lol. How this is more efficient seems elementary to me. It's the same logic behind multicore processors.
In the end, whats efficient to some is inefficient to others.

One thing though. I don't think we have to worry about the Qlink functions being removed. I think even Akai knows thats a no go. But it would be cool to add the usage of the data wheel the way it was previously...just for those nostalgic guys.

DJ Hellfire wrote:The problem with your method is the single dial! It is WAY LESS efficient to chop with a single dial used for both start and end points vs having dedicated knobs for both start and end. The method you are requesting would require constant cursoring back and forth between the start and end editing fields for each slice just so you can use the single data wheel to chop. I've used this method for the past 15 years on MPC's and let me tell you, the Rens dedicated Q Links are WAY faster!

you're on the money about having dedicated qlinks for start and end points, that would make workflow much more fluid without having to cursor around like you gotta when using jog wheel...I feel Ren should have the edge of being able to pre-configure qlinks to your own liking instead of being fixed to functions

The GREAT thing about the q links is that you can adjust both start and end points at the same time, which really speeds up the process of truncating a sample down to loop it or chop it.

And I'm not exaggerating the cursoring back and forth. It is constant when you make a lot of slices like I do. Even if you make only 32 slices, that 64 times you have to move the cursor. And if you like to double check your slice points before processing the program, that's even more cursoring. How this can be seen as more efficient is something I cannot comprehend.