What is your top request for 1.4?

Coz wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:But for quick PRECISE edits, there's no way the mouse is faster than the controller, especially if you're using a MBP touchpad!

What's the general response like when you're using the trackpad with the Ren software? I use the Magic Trackpad with Cubase and it's a total glitch fest, especially when scrolling up and down the screen.

Music companies need to roll out 'pinch to zoom' as standard across DAWs.

It's OK! Not great. The scrolling sucks in many areas, and is inverted in others. Triggering samples with it is weird because you have to touch it with 3 fingers a certain way to make the software/computer happy to play the sound. And the sample editor not being able to play samples in ONE SHOT doesn't make it any easier! Also, sometimes my MBP doesn't always register my 3 fingers to do a mouse grab (with any application, not just MPC), especially when my hands are really dry. So moving markers around is really hard to get precise without moving the marker too far! And I don't use 0 snap. Most times it cuts samples too close to the peak, where sometimes you would want a slight bit of slack on the front of a sample. 0 snap won't let you. It's like it makes decisions for you. Not really precise IMO, depending on how you look at it!

JAH wrote:You exaggerate about ‘constant cursoring’. You edit the start point, press right cursor, and then edit the end point. Nothing constant about that.

Also, what about the extra cursoring needed to set your adjustment amount, from coarser to finer, for each slice?

JAH wrote:
Hellfire, you can't convince someone to change up their workflow. I am not advocating losing the Qlinks. I am advocating full functionality of the data dial and adding the Fine Edit menu like all hardware MPCs.

I'm not! I merely asked for more in depth use of the Q-Links for zooming and scrolling! You guys wanted to have this little chat about workflow and other MPC's and and what method is better and such!

JAH wrote:

Fanu wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:Zooming and scrolling from the Q-Links instead of the awkward-on-the-wrist Shift+Cursor.

I'd suggest using the start/end (bar) buttons for that.
On 2500 (at least with JJOS), zooming is done with those, and it's handy and PERFECT for zooming.

I agree. Transport buttons are perfect for zooming as seen in the JJ OS. But also the Fine Edit Screen as seen in the MPC 1000, 2000, 2000XL, 2500, 5000, and JJOS is still the perfect way (the MPC way) to zoom in/out to make fine edits. You simply move the cursor over the Sample/Slice start or end parameter and press [Window]. Then the Fine Edit screen is displayed which shows both ends of the waveform. This is perfect for creating loops. The F keys are used for zooming in/out. I would like to see this implemented in the MPC Ren software as well.

This method has been good for over a decade. I have never seen one post in an internet forum indicating an MPC user disliking how an MPC edits in this manner. This is a case of not messing with perfection. This is the workflow for the MPC 1000, 2000, 2000XL, 2500, and 5000...in other words, the majority of MPC users are well-versed in this method.

DJ Hellfire wrote:The problem with your method is the single dial! It is WAY LESS efficient to chop with a single dial used for both start and end points vs having dedicated knobs for both start and end. The method you are requesting would require constant cursoring back and forth between the start and end editing fields for each slice just so you can use the single data wheel to chop. I've used this method for the past 15 years on MPC's and let me tell you, the Rens dedicated Q Links are WAY faster!

However, I do agree that your method for data wheel editing should be implemented for anyone that does want to use it!

DJ Hellfire wrote:Another feature request! We should be able to save a sample! Just a sample. Like if I truncate a section of a sample, I should be able to save the wav file without having to save the whole program or project!

I was just coming on here to ask about this! I find this freakn bizare how I can't record a sample and save it

A lot of times I sit back and dig through a grip of records and sample instruments, stabs, loops, etc for my sound library. But now I have to creat a program to save?

Thanks for confirming that I'm not just missing how to do it.

DJ Hellfire wrote:

Coz wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:But for quick PRECISE edits, there's no way the mouse is faster than the controller, especially if you're using a MBP touchpad!

What's the general response like when you're using the trackpad with the Ren software? I use the Magic Trackpad with Cubase and it's a total glitch fest, especially when scrolling up and down the screen.

Music companies need to roll out 'pinch to zoom' as standard across DAWs.

It's OK! Not great. The scrolling sucks in many areas, and is inverted in others. Triggering samples with it is weird because you have to touch it with 3 fingers a certain way to make the software/computer happy to play the sound. And the sample editor not being able to play samples in ONE SHOT doesn't make it any easier! Also, sometimes my MBP doesn't always register my 3 fingers to do a mouse grab (with any application, not just MPC), especially when my hands are really dry. So moving markers around is really hard to get precise without moving the marker too far! And I don't use 0 snap. Most times it cuts samples too close to the peak, where sometimes you would want a slight bit of slack on the front of a sample. 0 snap won't let you. It's like it makes decisions for you. Not really precise IMO, depending on how you look at it!

Sounds like a similar story to Cubase.

I still think they need to open up the control surface more for customisation. All the finger gymnastics with the shift button, qlinks and data wheel is just weird.

Multiple ways of doing the same thing is always a winner with MPCs. Choice is good.

I personally thought Shit+Cursor L/R should nudge selected notes and Shift+Cursor U/D should transpose them!

DJ Hellfire wrote: ****+Cursor

I don't know why this made me laugh like it did.

My wish : an universal midi controller mode like Maschine has incl. midi template editor

DJ Hellfire wrote:

JAH wrote:You exaggerate about ‘constant cursoring’. You edit the start point, press right cursor, and then edit the end point. Nothing constant about that.

Also, what about the extra cursoring needed to set your adjustment amount, from coarser to finer, for each slice?

Akai can simply tie the precision of the data dial with the Zoom settings. If you are zoomed all the way out, turning the data wheel should adjust in increments of 1000. Zoom in a little and the data dial should adjust increments of 100s. Zoom all the way in and the data wheel should adjust in increments of 1.

With all the pretty buttons, knobs and dials the Ren hardware has it would just be nice if looks matched functionality. The Qlinks and dial are not really being utilized in an innovative way. It's like how they added the zoom from hardware feature but they used the most ridiculous combination of buttons, it just doesnt feel right considering where the shift button is located compared to the cursor buttons. when you have so many other better options. Why add all these qlinks and have them not all put to use? We have 16 qlinks and we cant even automate a whole program with them, only one pad at a time??? That's useless for me. I cant even see that being useful. What are the qlinks there for half the time? just to look at???

Also there are some parameters that when u change their value, you would naturally like to feel the notches of the jog wheel, while other parameters you can change and not really have a need to feel the notches of the jog wheel. I feel the Ren has assigned these parameters backwards. For example, when you scroll samples for any of your 4 pad layers, you are most likely scrolling through a long list, and want to be able to stop pinpoint on a dime on what sample you want. This would be ideal for the jog wheel and not the qlinks bc turning the qlinks you feel no friction at all so its hard to get a feel for how fast you are browsing something. Also they need to make these lists alphabetical. How damn hard is that. Basic ass shit. Another example is they add purge but it doesnt fully purge a project down to the program level, like come on, this is basic functionality, and basic design stuff they are overlooking here. But oh well, as long as it works, workflow will just have to take damage.

A realtime drag and drop midi and/or audio export feature from the Ren plugin into you DAW would be great.

I am with you guys...qlinks for zooming, but why not have it all...I mean zoom can be achived the old fashion way, with WINDOW+Fine tunning with the jogwheel, and qlinks knobs like it is logical as they are not completely use in sample editing.
About the shift+cursor arros, as it is now is terrible for the ren but not so terrible with the studio, and I see the big picture, being Studio the direct competition of maschine, I would say akai is taking more in care studio than Ren. Where the qlinks option would be not as confortable as in the Ren.
On this topic vertical zoom of the waveform would be awsome too. I use it all the time in jjos.

I agree with this feature plus 2

A realtime drag and drop midi and/or audio export feature from the Ren plugin into you DAW would be great.

I do believe this calls for another...(drum roll please)... POLL!

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#1 is to be able to loop a region from chop mode

#2 is to be able to (lets say) split a region in 4 then split any of thsoe 4 pieces over again from within the same screen and be able to automatically audition

#3 one shot mode & polyphony for auditioning samples from chop shop

#4 step editing from LCD

#5 real time Swing and nudge like 4000

these are major 5 me, MPC will always feel incomplete without them