Suggestion for an alternative Shift function method!

So Masada and I thought of another interesting way to access shift functions of the Ren/Studio controller to maximize efficiency. It's very simple. Instead of having to press the Shift button to access the secondary functions of the buttons, the functions can just be a toggle.

So for example, say I currently have my program on Pad Bank B (lit Red). Pressing the Bank B button again will simply toggle to Pad Bank F (lit yellow). If it's already on Pad Bank F, pressing the button again will select Pad Bank B. No need to press the shift button, unless you want to go directly from, say, Pad Bank A to Bank H or something. But even still, you could just double click the Bank D button to get to H from A. Same thing with the Sample Edit button and neighboring buttons. Pressing the Main button from the main page will take you to the Track View screen. Pressing the Sample Edit button while in the Sample Record screen will take you to the Sample Editor. Etc.

The only thing you would really need to use the Shift button for is to Save, Note Repeat Latch, and the different Data Select buttons! This would add a great deal of speed to the workflow because it adds more single hand operation. And the Shift button will still have several uses. To top it off, this feature would have the ability to be turned off in the Preferences menu if for some strange reason someone didn't wanna use it!

That makes more sense instead of holding shift to do that. A quick double tap and one hand.

Let's get it done Pete!

sounds a whole lot better than the ergonomics currently implemented, I would like to be able to double push on the note repeat button also to toggle latch on and off, that way if u want to latch note repeat on or off, you dont need to deal with one button thats all the way on the lower left of the renaissance and another button which is placed all the way to the upper right. ESPECIALLY the pad banks. They need this, these buttons are not even close the shift button.

toggle back/forth or on/off by simply pressing button twice works so much better then shift + press button. I agree. Some of the Ren's basic design needs attention. Since the beginning I have noticed the discomfort in using the shift button because of it's awkward placement so far from many of the dual mode buttons.

I voted yes for an alternative way to access shift functions

dope i like that

+1

+1

Wow, simple but seems so obvious - this would be a positive step from akai tradition IMO - good evolution, not getting rid of something classic.

And if it was a toggle, no biggie anyways.

I was talking about ergonomics of button placements with Dan over a year ago. Especially the shift button implementation.

Rather than chipping away one button at a time, Akai should just nip this in the bud and open up a series of buttons to be user configurable. When I read about the left-handed dude who has to perform a finger Wing Chun technique just to zoom, there's obviously something not right somewhere...

DJ Hellfire wrote:So Masada and I thought of another interesting way to access shift functions of the Ren/Studio controller to maximize efficiency. It's very simple. Instead of having to press the Shift button to access the secondary functions of the buttons, the functions can just be a toggle.

So for example, say I currently have my program on Pad Bank B (lit Red). Pressing the Bank B button again will simply toggle to Pad Bank F (lit yellow). If it's already on Pad Bank F, pressing the button again will select Pad Bank B. No need to press the shift button, unless you want to go directly from, say, Pad Bank A to Bank H or something. But even still, you could just double click the Bank D button to get to H from A. Same thing with the Sample Edit button and neighboring buttons. Pressing the Main button from the main page will take you to the Track View screen. Pressing the Sample Edit button while in the Sample Record screen will take you to the Sample Editor. Etc.

The only thing you would really need to use the Shift button for is to Save, Note Repeat Latch, and the different Folder buttons! This would add a great deal of speed to the workflow because it adds more single hand operation. And the Shift button will still have several uses. To top it off, this feature would have the ability to be turned off in the Preferences menu if for some strange reason someone didn't wanna use it!

Jah wrote:[SHIFT] button is used to access secondary functions/modes of other buttons. [SHIFT] button must be held down while another button is pressed.

I suggest to make the [SHIFT] button a toggle button. Pressing it once, engages it and keeps it on until you press it again to disengage it. This will allow users access secondary functions of other buttons without holding down the [SHIFT] button.

I agree 100%. I sent this to Akai just over 1 year ago.

+100 to that idea.
That would be a much more ergonomic solution.
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thats works for me! only if it applies with the PAD BANKS


and can we use the ENTER KEY to use to select ( like going throught a list of presets or pluggings) the enter doenst work to select? ( even tho its highlighted)

good idea masada n hellfire

THX

konc3pt wrote::smoker: good idea masada n hellfire

this is one of those feature implementations that I worry about. In theory, it could be done, but please understand from a system point of view what this might mean.

take for instance the DATA SELECT buttons. if we were to blindly implement it, if i wanted to go to FOLDER 1, and I double clicked, PROJECT would be set first, then FOLDER 1 would open.

this would be annoying, to say the least. so to remedy this, we have to incorporate what's called a "wait state".

what this wait state would do is essentially, sit back, acknowledge the button press, and then wait a certain amount of time to see if the button is pressed again. a good example of this is the delete key on your keyboard. if you press it and hold it, it deletes 1 character, then pauses slightly, then starts moving backwards. its waiting to see if the holding down is intentional.

blah blah blah, what does this all mean for a user? well, it means that if you press a button, say SAMPLE EDIT just once, you're going to have probably 200ms pause before the mode is activated. it MAY be fast enough to not notice, but people might perceive it as lag.

is that a dealbreaker?