MPC FLY WITH BEATMAKER 2?

I'M SURE WE'LL GET SOMETHING FIGURED OUT IF WE ALL KEEP WORKING AT IT. I'M TRYING DIFFERENT THINGS IN MIDIBRIDGE AND IT'S DEFINITELY AFFECTING HOW THE ONSCREEN PADS RESPOND IN BM2. I JUST CAN'T GET THE FLY PADS TO TRIGGER SOUNDS!

coolderb knows his stuff, when he gets his delivered I'm sure you guys will solve this. I do still fear you might be limited to only 16 notes being sent though. If that's the case I have zero use for one of these things.

Just saw this reply on the Akai site:


Tanyon Sturtz 1 day ago



Useful MPC Fly?




Anyone know how to use the MPC Fly with Beatmaker 2 instead of the pathetic impc app?

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J Sandeen (Technical Representative) 13 hours ago


If the application you are using does not have MIDI Learn it will be hard as you will not be able to assign the pads from the hardware. You can use another third party such as tabletop to use MIDI learn through another app. Tabletop can run apps within itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQS0qp... (not the best demo)

coolderb wrote:Just saw this reply on the Akai site:


Tanyon Sturtz 1 day ago



Useful MPC Fly?




Anyone know how to use the MPC Fly with Beatmaker 2 instead of the pathetic impc app?

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J Sandeen (Technical Representative) 13 hours ago


If the application you are using does not have MIDI Learn it will be hard as you will not be able to assign the pads from the hardware. You can use another third party such as tabletop to use MIDI learn through another app. Tabletop can run apps within itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQS0qp... (not the best demo)

WTF is he talking about? He knows full well we can't run Beatmaker from within Tabletop!

this is the video he linked:

WOW THAT ANSWER FROM AKAI IS BASICALLY A "LEAVE US ALONE."

Hmmm.

But if the Fly is broadcasting on I assume channel MIDI 1A, and most apps default to Omni or 1A, at least one BM2 bank should respond. (Or most of it, if A+B= Notes 0-32, the often used MIDI Note # 36 as pad 1/C1 would be pad 4 Bank C)

Well Tabletop does have mapping akin to Reason or Ableton, but that's no help with Beatmaker.

Last summer on Facebook I tried to corner a Retronym's rep to spell out the extent of Core MIDI compliant. He cryptically said "we have something up our sleeves". I replied "what, no Core MIDI in iMPC standalone without a Fly, and once Fly releases you'll finally add MIDI to Tabletop, when you could have done it a year ago?"

He was silent after that.

And yeah funkycoldmedina, I read the Akai response pretty much the same way.

funkycoldmedina wrote:WOW THAT ANSWER FROM AKAI IS BASICALLY A "LEAVE US ALONE."

Unbelievable!

Metatron72 wrote:Hmmm.

But if the Fly is broadcasting on I assume channel MIDI 1A, and most apps default to Omni or 1A, at least one BM2 bank should respond. (Or most of it, if A+B= Notes 0-32, the often used MIDI Note # 36 as pad 1/C1 would be pad 4 Bank C)

Well Tabletop does have mapping akin to Reason or Ableton, but that's no help with Beatmaker.

Last summer on Facebook I tried to corner a Retronym's rep to spell out the extent of Core MIDI compliant. He cryptically said "we have something up our sleeves". I replied "what, no Core MIDI in iMPC standalone without a Fly, and once Fly releases you'll finally add MIDI to Tabletop, when you could have done it a year ago?"

He was silent after that.

And yeah funkycoldmedina, I read the Akai response pretty much the same way.

If the Fly doesn't work with Beatmaker it will be Flying back to Akai!

funkycoldmedina wrote:WOW THAT ANSWER FROM AKAI IS BASICALLY A "LEAVE US ALONE."

This is a reply to Akai's response:


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Tanyon Sturtz replied to Useful MPC Fly?, a question about Akai Professional.

I'll be returning mine as well if I can't use it with Beatmaker2. And I know 4 other friends who are gonna do the same...one of them is my employer and he's a super-producer...he told me he's ready to drop a rant on twitter about how the Fly is a piece of crap because you can't use it with BM2, his app of choice...he has over 7 million followers, many of which I'm sure are aspiring producers...wow Akai, you guys messed up LOL!

Drop the Just Blaze on them. The word "rant" should still make Akai quiver...

On one hand I'm not surprised this is happening.

The produce is for the impc, it was always intended for that and I guess our imagination and the possibility that we could use this with another software is wishful thinking.

The fly looks more garbage everytime I look and read about it. The only decent thing is the form factor which is nice.

Metatron72 wrote:They've got time to code a BS rhythm game but no time to write a manual for anticipated hardware accessory

hahahaha!! I saw that on the app store and was saying the same damn thing!

I've been saying it since jump guys. "looks like a nice case" lol

SAW THIS ON THE INTUA FORUM. I'VE TRIED IT AND SO FAR HAD THE SAME RESULTS AS THIS OTHER PERSON FROM THEIR FORUM WHO TRIED IT- I'VE GOTTEN 1 OR 2 OF THE PADS TO CORRECTLY TRIGGER SOUNDS, BUT THE REST OF THE PADS ARE NOT FIRING CORRECTLY. WE'VE MADE IT THIS FAR, WE JUST NEED A MIDI PRO TO SWOOP IN AND TELL US WHAT THE MISSING PIECE TO THE PUZZLE IS. ALSO, I'M STARTING TO THINK TRIGGERING MULTIPLE PAD BANKS MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE?....

BM2 maps note numbers to the drum pads. Starting with note #0.

We are going to use it on Channel 10. Set your MPC to send MIDI on channel 10.

Connect your MPC to your iPad

Run MidiBridge

run BM2. It should start with the home dialog upper left quarter of the screen. Tap the home button upper left if it doesn't.

Create your Drumpad instrument.

Still on the home dialog, with drumpad instrument selected, tap the little MIDI connector icon at the lower right of the drumpad instrument picture. This will bring up the MIDI assignments for the instrument.

In the upper left, tap the '+' button until the number shows channel 10. Close the panelto go back to the home dialog.

Tap the gear icon in the home dialog upper right, then the MIDI SETUP button center right.

Make sure all MIDI ports in both lists at the top are "Off".

Close all dialogs including the home dialog so the instrument itself is showing.

Tap some pads to get the feel for how they sound, make especial note of how the lower left pad sounds.

Back to MidiBridge.

You should see the MIDI interface you are using in the left hand column. With luck it is named "MPC".

You should also see the BeatMaker 2 icon on the right column.

Tap the MPC icon in its center top area. It should turn green. Then do the same to the BM2 icon on the right.

You should see a line appear connecting them.

Tap the MPC icon on the little ladder-like icon in the lower left of the big icon. That should open up a list of 9 options. You want the second one down "Note Mapper".

Tap the checkbox on its left to set it, then the blue arrow on its right. That will open the mapper configure dialog.

The bottom item is marked "Note Transpose". You need to find the number that works:

With one hand tap the lower left pad on the MPC. With each tap, use the other hand to tap the '-' button in the MidiBridge dialog. Somewhere around -20 you should start hearing the instrument responding. Maybe even not until -50 or so. Keep trying.

Keep doing this until you hear the lower left instrument pad responding to the lower left MPC pad.

OK, you are done. MidiBridge will remember the offset and connections for the next time yo run it with BM2 and the MPC connected.
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funkycoldmedina wrote:SAW THIS ON THE INTUA FORUM. I'VE TRIED IT AND SO FAR HAD THE SAME RESULTS AS THIS OTHER PERSON FROM THEIR FORUM WHO TRIED IT- I'VE GOTTEN 1 OR 2 OF THE PADS TO CORRECTLY TRIGGER SOUNDS, BUT THE REST OF THE PADS ARE NOT FIRING CORRECTLY. WE'VE MADE IT THIS FAR, WE JUST NEED A MIDI PRO TO SWOOP IN AND TELL US WHAT THE MISSING PIECE TO THE PUZZLE IS. ALSO, I'M STARTING TO THINK TRIGGERING MULTIPLE PAD BANKS MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE?....

BM2 maps note numbers to the drum pads. Starting with note #0.

We are going to use it on Channel 10. Set your MPC to send MIDI on channel 10.

Connect your MPC to your iPad

Run MidiBridge

run BM2. It should start with the home dialog upper left quarter of the screen. Tap the home button upper left if it doesn't.

Create your Drumpad instrument.

Still on the home dialog, with drumpad instrument selected, tap the little MIDI connector icon at the lower right of the drumpad instrument picture. This will bring up the MIDI assignments for the instrument.

In the upper left, tap the '+' button until the number shows channel 10. Close the panelto go back to the home dialog.

Tap the gear icon in the home dialog upper right, then the MIDI SETUP button center right.

Make sure all MIDI ports in both lists at the top are "Off".

Close all dialogs including the home dialog so the instrument itself is showing.

Tap some pads to get the feel for how they sound, make especial note of how the lower left pad sounds.

Back to MidiBridge.

You should see the MIDI interface you are using in the left hand column. With luck it is named "MPC".

You should also see the BeatMaker 2 icon on the right column.

Tap the MPC icon in its center top area. It should turn green. Then do the same to the BM2 icon on the right.

You should see a line appear connecting them.

Tap the MPC icon on the little ladder-like icon in the lower left of the big icon. That should open up a list of 9 options. You want the second one down "Note Mapper".

Tap the checkbox on its left to set it, then the blue arrow on its right. That will open the mapper configure dialog.

The bottom item is marked "Note Transpose". You need to find the number that works:

With one hand tap the lower left pad on the MPC. With each tap, use the other hand to tap the '-' button in the MidiBridge dialog. Somewhere around -20 you should start hearing the instrument responding. Maybe even not until -50 or so. Keep trying.

Keep doing this until you hear the lower left instrument pad responding to the lower left MPC pad.

OK, you are done. MidiBridge will remember the offset and connections for the next time yo run it with BM2 and the MPC connected.
dwarman

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I found the same info., was just about to post it. I've had the best results using a note transpose value of -37. Nearly all of the Fly pads respond correctly. We're almost there! Time to do some tweaking. MidiBridge saves the day again!