Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible ?

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Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible ?

By billyjohn Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:47 pm
Hey I have a 2000 using floppys (i know) with the SCSI out, wonder if this is possible. I already have this Dazzel card reader it has a USB output
here
http://the-gadgeteer.com/2003/01/24/daz ... er_review/

wondering if there was away to connect to the SCSI input and will it work trying to save sum $$ , dont mind booting from the floopy just looking for extra memory. thanxs
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By Wal Martian Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:54 pm
tapedeck wrote:no card reader will affect your memory.

it is for storage only.

Missed that, Tapedeck is on point the memory is restricted to the amount of RAM in your machine. Factory is 2MB, upgradable to 32MB max. External storage is only for saving your sounds and MIDI files.

Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By billyjohn Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:00 pm
Right right i mean storage , Im saying they have a male usb to SCSI adaptor for cheap so if if i can link the two USB ports with a male-female connection im in biz. Its just that i got the dazzel card reader already, is there any reason it shoudnt work . thanks for the help .
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By SimonInAustralia Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:16 pm
Wal Martian wrote:No it will not work. It has to be SCSI, or if you want to hack your machine IDE can work.

Installing a SCSI-IDE bridge, and IDE CF reader, is not really what I would call 'hacking you machine'.


billyjohn wrote:Right right i mean storage , Im saying they have a male usb to SCSI adaptor for cheap so if if i can link the two USB ports with a male-female connection im in biz. Its just that i got the dazzel card reader already, is there any reason it shoudnt work . thanks for the help .

I think you will find that it is a USB to SCSI adapter, designed so you can connect a SCSI device to a USB port/host as a USB device?

If so, it is not what you want, and will not work.

They are designed to connect older SCSI drives to newer USB computers, not to connect newer USB drives to older SCSI computers.

You can't just turn a USB device (if the adapter is designed to connect a SCSI device to a USB port/host) into a USB host (which would be required to connect a USB device to a SCSI port/host) with some male-female USB adapters, it simply does not work like that, it has to be designed to operate like that, you can not plug it in backwards and get it to operate the opposite way.

I do not think that there are adapters to connect a USB device to a SCSI port, but as tapedeck says, if you think differently, please prove us wrong, just because we have not seen it, doesn't mean it isn't out there.

That drive, and the adapters, are a waste of time and money, if you are trying to get them to operate while connected to the MPC.
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By Wal Martian Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:31 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:
Wal Martian wrote:No it will not work. It has to be SCSI, or if you want to hack your machine IDE can work.

Installing a SCSI-IDE bridge, and IDE CF reader, is not really what I would call 'hacking you machine'.

If it's just that simple, show me a picture of the internal SCSI inside the 2000 classic.
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By SimonInAustralia Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:40 pm
Wal Martian wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:
Wal Martian wrote:No it will not work. It has to be SCSI, or if you want to hack your machine IDE can work.

Installing a SCSI-IDE bridge, and IDE CF reader, is not really what I would call 'hacking you machine'.

If it's just that simple, show me a picture of the internal SCSI inside the 2000 classic.

Yep, you're right (and also wrong), I incorrectly thought he had mentioned it was an XL.

So, yes, MPC would need to be hacked to fit IDE internally, or at least an external SCSI cable redirected internally.

Though, a SCSI-IDE bridge and IDE card reader could be installed in an external SCSI case, and would work, without hacking the MPC.
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By Wal Martian Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:47 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:So, yes, MPC would need to be hacked to fit IDE internally, or at least external an SCSI cable redirected internally.

The other option is the ribbon cable splitting and soldering "hack*" forum member destruktiv posted 8 years back
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SimonInAustralia wrote:Though, a SCSI-IDE bridge and IDE card reader could be installed in an external SCSI case, and would work, without hacking the MPC.

Sounds like pointless extra work, just buy an external SCSI reader off mpc-stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2Ld9iXTWo


*you may or may not consider this 'hacking you machine' :lol:
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By SimonInAustralia Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:02 pm
Wal Martian wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:Though, a SCSI-IDE bridge and IDE card reader could be installed in an external SCSI case, and would work, without hacking the MPC.
Sounds like pointless extra work, just buy an external SCSI reader off mpc-stuff

*you may or may not consider this 'hacking you machine' :lol:


This is what you said...
Wal Martian wrote:No it will not work. It has to be SCSI, or if you want to hack your machine IDE can work.

That hacking is not required for IDE to work.

Put it in an external case, it works, MPC is not hacked.


tapedeck wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:... is not really what I would call 'hacking you machine'.

you say potato, i say potato (yea...that translates really well over the internet :mrgreen: )

No, comparing an MPC hack to provide an internal SCSI connection, to using an external SCSI case, is not comparing potato to potato.
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By SimonInAustralia Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:15 pm
Wal Martian wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:Though, a SCSI-IDE bridge and IDE card reader could be installed in an external SCSI case, and would work, without hacking the MPC.

Sounds like pointless extra work, just buy an external SCSI reader off mpc-stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL2Ld9iXTWo

Did you notice that video is from 2008?

Do they still stock and sell an external SCSI card reader?


This is the external CF reader listed on mpc-stuff, for the MPC2000, in 2013...

http://www.mpcstuff.com/akai-mpc-2000-c ... -2000.html
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I am guessing that is a SCSI-IDE bridge, and IDE CF reader, in an external SCSI case, for $275.

Still pointless to make your own up, if it is exactly the same, at that price?
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Re: Using a Dazzel CF reader with a MPC 2000 is it possible

By Wal Martian Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:20 pm
SimonInAustralia wrote:I am guessing that is a SCSI-IDE bridge, and IDE CF reader, in an external SCSI case, for $275.

Still pointless to make your own up, if it is exactly the same, at that price?

Why convert to an IDE drive when you can just use SCSI?
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