MPC Renaissance and MPC Studio v1.3 & 1.31 Bug Reports

I don't see what you have against a universal mixer option which wouldn't affect anyone working with one sequence only, but it would make life a helluva lot easier for those of us who use multiple sequences for song creation. I cannot think of one reason why this shouldn't be implemented but I can think of 50 why it should. Tell me why this shouldnt be implemented - give me a good reason.

InspectahEX wrote:I just think the whole 'effects not carrying over to all sequences' thing is just something akai has overlooked while trying to make the Ren stable and adding features it should have had already. I think they will fix it by 1.4, bc I know other mpcs didnt work like that. You could add an effect and it will effect every sequence. Its def a workflow killer, thats not how mpcs were designed to work with one long linear sequence. Thats what sequences are for, you put sequences together to make a song. It's def a bug, no way akai can be that stupid to actually design it and intend it to work that way. NO WAY. They cant be that stupid. Every sequence in a project should be based on the same mixer and effects. Dont listen to Jah, hes basically telling you to treat a sequence as if it were a project, that might be the work around for now but its not supposed to be like that.

Exactly - and I really really hope your right because right now I see this as such a serious workflow killer which completely dilutes the point of sequences, on the fly arrangements, feeling the moment etc. Yeah, I know Jah is playing his usual game.

krissserz wrote:
Alright then... Will have to find some kind of workaround. Thanks.

The workaround is to limit ourselves and basically dont use Next Seq unless the entire track has been written using one sequence and every single angle, potential variation you may want later (during song arrangements) is covered in that one sequence. . Even then the problem is still there. That's not a workaround. The issue has to be brought to the attention Akai.

labcoats wrote:

krissserz wrote:
Alright then... Will have to find some kind of workaround. Thanks.

The workaround is to limit ourselves and basically dont use Next Seq unless the entire track has been written using one sequence and every single angle, potential variation you may want later (during song arrangements) is covered in that one sequence. . Even then the problem is still there. That's not a workaround. The issue has to be brought to the attention Akai.

I don't see any posts from me or anyone else against a universal mixing option. I simply pointed out that it is a feature request, not a bug, and you are discussing it in the wrong thread.

The work-around for your problem is to do it the same way MPC users have been doing for 2 decades. Or add your request to the growing list in the Feature Suggestion thread...or even give it a dedicated thread. Perhaps it will catch the eye of one of the Ren's developers....maybe it has already.

I know there hasnt been any threads about this - and believe me that has concerned me. I checked over at Akais forum and found a thread, but its not exactly lighting the fires up.

My strong hunch is whilst Akai will (further down the line) improve the mixer I don't honestly see a universal mixer arriving. The current functionality is more than likely here to stay.

Over the last couple of days I have pretty much decided its unlikely I can invest my time in a product which is going to force me to work in a method where I'm missing out on on an essential core function of the MPC ( a great shame to). It didnt matter with an MPC60/3000 because we wouldn't use them for mixing - how many people actually used the midi mixer?... The Ren is completely different, everyone will use the mixer.

Im not saying Im going to ditch the Ren - but I know my self and I generally know how these things pan out. The future of me and a Ren doesnt look good. Im sure though you will be delighted about that.

I installed a plugin from SoundToys called Little Microshift. Now every time I attempt to rescan plugins on the MPC software it crashes when it gets to Little Microshift. Anybody else experience this?

Macbook Pro
Mountain Lion
16 GB Ram

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MPC Software version: 1.3.1
Operating system & version: Mac OS 10.8.2

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Problem: Seq Edit / Effects button on hardware suddenly stopped working.

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labcoats wrote:I know there hasnt been any threads about this - and believe me that has concerned me. I checked over at Akais forum and found a thread, but its not exactly lighting the fires up.

My strong hunch is whilst Akai will (further down the line) improve the mixer I don't honestly see a universal mixer arriving. The current functionality is more than likely here to stay.

Over the last couple of days I have pretty much decided its unlikely I can invest my time in a product which is going to force me to work in a method where I'm missing out on on an essential core function of the MPC ( a great shame to). It didnt matter with an MPC60/3000 because we wouldn't use them for mixing - how many people actually used the midi mixer?... The Ren is completely different, everyone will use the mixer.

Im not saying Im going to ditch the Ren - but I know my self and I generally know how these things pan out. The future of me and a Ren doesnt look good. Im sure though you will be delighted about that.

even though they fixed the plugin duplication issue, I agree, the mixer is a mess, more of a mess than it was before 1.3. They really need to layout the mixer in a more logical way. It doesnt make sense that when you copy a sequence it doesnt copy any effects over from that sequence. Many vsts I have my volumes jumping to 100% on the mixer and all kinds of crap that needs fixing. I actually liked how the mixer was set up before 1.3, now its just mad annoying

InspectahEX wrote:It doesnt make sense that when you copy a sequence it doesnt copy any effects over from that sequence.

It wouldn't make any sense if it couldn't do that. But in 1.31 (OSX 10.7.5) if I create a sequence with Drum Progam FXs, Track FXs, or Plugin Instrument FXs. and I copy this sequence, these effects are copied to the new sequence.

So unless I am misunderstanding you, I am not seeing your issue.

JAH wrote:

InspectahEX wrote:It doesnt make sense that when you copy a sequence it doesnt copy any effects over from that sequence.

It wouldn't make any sense if it couldn't do that. But in 1.31 (OSX 10.7.5) if I create a sequence with Drum Progam FXs, Track FXs, or Plugin Instrument FXs. and I copy this sequence, these effects are copied to the new sequence.

So unless I am misunderstanding you, I am not seeing your issue.

Yes, it does copy the effects, but after you change a parameter on sequence one, it does not carry over to sequence two. This is my only beef with the mixer really and I'm sure you hate this "feature" also?

WKempton wrote:

JAH wrote:

InspectahEX wrote:It doesnt make sense that when you copy a sequence it doesnt copy any effects over from that sequence.

It wouldn't make any sense if it couldn't do that. But in 1.31 (OSX 10.7.5) if I create a sequence with Drum Progam FXs, Track FXs, or Plugin Instrument FXs. and I copy this sequence, these effects are copied to the new sequence.

So unless I am misunderstanding you, I am not seeing your issue.

Yes, it does copy the effects, but after you change a parameter on sequence one, it does not carry over to sequence two. This is my only beef with the mixer really and I'm sure you hate this "feature" also?

Feature requests in a bug thread?
Add your Effects to a program mixer and it will be applied to all sequences you use the program in.

JAH wrote:Add your Effects to a program mixer and it will be applied to all sequences you use the program in.

But is there a way to add an Effect globally to a Program (to all pads at the same time) in the Program Mixer? If so, I can't seem to find out how.

(Maybe it's because my "Seq Edit / Effects" button doesn't work anymore...)

JAH wrote:

WKempton wrote:

JAH wrote: Add your Effects to a program mixer and it will be applied to all sequences you use the program in.

Sorry, wrong thread, I know. But I'm quite sure this is what Inspectah meant. Also for some odd reason I'm not able to access PROG MIX on a VST-i track And also it's a little time consuming to put the same eq setting to a every single chop in the program as you're not able to have effects to apply the whole program unless you're using track mixer. And oh what mess would it be then if you want to change a parameter later haha.

And submixes are a weird and shitty idea all-around. But that's just my opinion. Sorry for ruining the thread.

krissserz wrote:

JAH wrote:Add your Effects to a program mixer and it will be applied to all sequences you use the program in.

But is there a way to add an Effect globally to a Program (to all pads at the same time) in the Program Mixer? If so, I can't seem to find out how.

(Maybe it's because my "Seq Edit / Effects" button doesn't work anymore...)

Key group program is your solution. It has the same params as a drum program. And when you add insert effects, it is applied to the entire program. The Ren is also a plugin. Mix in your DAW is always an option.

In the end, you must develop you own workflow using the Ren as is. Otherwise, you will be sitting on your hands waiting for what appears to be quarterly updates with no guarantee that you favorite feature request will ever make it to the software.

JAH wrote:

krissserz wrote:

JAH wrote:Add your Effects to a program mixer and it will be applied to all sequences you use the program in.

But is there a way to add an Effect globally to a Program (to all pads at the same time) in the Program Mixer? If so, I can't seem to find out how.

(Maybe it's because my "Seq Edit / Effects" button doesn't work anymore...)

Key group program is your solution. It has the same params as a drum program. And when you add insert effects, it is applied to the entire program. The Ren is also a plugin. Mix in your DAW is always an option.

In the end, you must develop you own workflow using the Ren as is. Otherwise, you will be sitting on your hands waiting for what appears to be quarterly updates with no guarantee that you favorite feature request will ever make it to the software.

Thanks, JAH!