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Akai are doing great but not getting any more of my money (MPC3000LE, MPC4000 Blue, MPC Studio owner) unless chop shop gets a notch better from the controller and the software. Happy to explain what gaps I see..

e9000k wrote:

JAH wrote:I use the huge graphic waveform editor on my Apple Thunderbolt display where I can quickly insert and delete slice markers they are auto mapped to pads.....instead of a tiny LCD. But I understand dome like going things the hard way.

I don't need a MPC if i end up using a mouse and keyboard. I can chop in Pro Tools and drag the chops into Structure using drag and drop, it creates a program automatically. Didn't have to spend cash money on a new MPC to do that, only reason I use MPC is not to have to look at Laptop screen...

All im saying is that everyone is screaming for the fancy ****, why not put in some more work into the chop shop and give more options? Chopping is the one thing all MPC cats do, so why not make it work better if there is room for improvement.

the fancy **** gets no attention from me.. next thing they will do is allow for user themes just cause somone wants it to look like ableton, gtfoh

I was just noting my workflow. I also have Pro Tools but trying to use it like I would an MPC just doesn't work. Adding slice markers with the mouse in the previous update which is simply awesome...like having Recycle in an MPC.

As far as basic workflow functions...you can split individual regions into two from the controller. All you are advocating is making what is a two button press to a one button press. That would mean taking time to remove 'Snap 0, Audition or Convert' from the Main Screen and placing them in a hidden menu. I am not saying it shouldn't be done...as I actually agree (I wrote a complete thread regarding Sample Edit improvements: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=163565). You must have missed that one. What I am saying is that this feature has already been implemented using a mouse (which is much faster) and the hardware. Akai has other high priorities. And some of these priorities may include fancy **** that other Ren/Studio users requested.

With every update there are improvements. And Sample Editing is receiving Zooming/Scrolling via Qlinks, Zooming on the LCD, and a new waveform view (very similar to Recycle).

JAH wrote:

e9000k wrote:

JAH wrote:I use the huge graphic waveform editor on my Apple Thunderbolt display where I can quickly insert and delete slice markers they are auto mapped to pads.....instead of a tiny LCD. But I understand dome like going things the hard way.

I don't need a MPC if i end up using a mouse and keyboard. I can chop in Pro Tools and drag the chops into Structure using drag and drop, it creates a program automatically. Didn't have to spend cash money on a new MPC to do that, only reason I use MPC is not to have to look at Laptop screen...

All im saying is that everyone is screaming for the fancy ****, why not put in some more work into the chop shop and give more options? Chopping is the one thing all MPC cats do, so why not make it work better if there is room for improvement.

the fancy **** gets no attention from me.. next thing they will do is allow for user themes just cause somone wants it to look like ableton, gtfoh

I was just noting my workflow. I also have Pro Tools but trying to use it like I would an MPC just doesn't work. Adding slice markers with the mouse in the previous update which is simply awesome...like having Recycle in an MPC.

As far as basic workflow functions...you can split individual regions into two from the controller. All you are advocating is making what is a two button press to a one button press. That would mean taking time to remove 'Snap 0, Audition or Convert' from the Main Screen and placing them in a hidden menu. I am not saying it shouldn't be done...as I actually agree (I wrote a complete thread regarding Sample Edit improvements). What I am saying is that this feature has already been implemented using a mouse (which is much faster) and the hardware. Akai has other high priorities. And some of these priorities may include fancy **** that other Ren/Studio users requested.

With every update there are improvements. And Sample Editing is receiving Zooming/Scrolling via Qlinks, Zooming on the LCD, and a new waveform view (very similar to Recycle).

JAH: Not its not what I am asking for, I have explained this more than once before, you are the ambassador but you either dont remember or don't get it...

e9000k wrote:
Dan/Pete,

for me personally these two are really BIG:

please consider the following improvements to the CHOP SHOP:

1) Re-Chop button, located between Chop and Trim

Function:

Allow to Re-Chop a previously created region:

I would like to chop a sample by region first, i.e. take a 32 bar sample and slice it into 4 regions. Then select first region by pressing the relevant pad, hit re-chop, and re-chop it by transients. Go to the next original region and re-chop it by lets say BPM.-- and so on and so forth....

The result should all be mapped to 1 program, when done I woud convert the program. re-chop should work on any already existing region, it basically treats the selected region as a sample but does not disregard other regions in the sample. In theory i should be able to Re-Chop until all my pads are filled up.

2) Loop in chop mode

in Chop to Region mode, allow the region to be looped, so when i hit the play it loops that region rather than just playing to end of sample, maybe using a modifier key such a shift and mpc pad

e9000k wrote:
I don't need a MPC if i end up using a mouse and keyboard. I can chop in Pro Tools

All im saying is that everyone is screaming for the fancy ****, why not put in some more work into the chop shop and give more options? Chopping is the one thing all MPC cats do, so why not make it work better if there is room for improvement.

the fancy **** gets no attention from me.. next thing they will do is allow for user themes just cause somone wants it to look like ableton, gtfoh

I agree with you about fancy features. I find it pretty depressing when I read the feature request thread and see almost every esoteric Daw feature in there - but barely a mention of basic stuff.

I dont produce Hip Hop so I dont chop samples often - for me its more about manipulation of samples which no MPC does particularly well. I did think the Ren would have stepped up to the plate a bit more seeing as its all software based, but I realise now that any improvements in that area are likely to be minimal.

Anyway, I wanted to ask you what it is about the current chopping functionality that's not right for you? In what way do you want it to be improved?
Don't get me wrong - I want to see you guys get all your chopping action, and then some. Imo nAkai could have really gone to town there. I think they will - but that may take a push from users..

Hi labcoats,

agree with you and thanks for hearing me out, folks tend to have short attention span when it comes to detail

its quite simple, you a 4000 user so you will get it straight away, read the post above yours i explained where I see improvement needs to be made. Its flexible chopping, a mix between what the 4000 and 5000 can do added with whats already good about the Ren Soft.

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e9000k wrote:JAH: Not its not what I am asking for, I have explained this more than once before, you are the ambassador but you either dont remember or don't get it...

I recall now...you mentioning this. My attention span is short for things that don't concern me. Besides....I am not obligated to remember what was said in every single thread in this forum; no one is. In this thread this is the first time you clarifying your wants in this regard...unless Ioverlooked it.

But everything I said still applies to your feature request. There have been several hundred feature requests sent to Akai. They have a roadmap for continued development of the Ren. There are priorities. And there will be features that users make that will never be implemented...this goes for any product on the market.

Create a dedicated thread, send the developers emails, post in the Akai technical support forum...do everything you must to convince Akai to add your feature request.

As far as what is considered fancy and basic...that is left up to each individual. The 'fancy' feature requests are no more or less relevant than someone's 'basic' feature request.

Yea fancy is subjective, there is a thread:

You are the ambassador after all, I really hope this CHOP SHOP stuff gets more attention, the Studio sits in the sleeve whilst im busy on the 4000 and 3000LE... that feature would get me to use the studio

Pete/Dan: CHOP SHOP improvements for v1.4

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=163844

e9000k wrote:Yea fancy is subjective, there is a thread:

You are the ambassador after all, I really hope this CHOP SHOP stuff gets more attention, the Studio sits in the sleeve whilst im busy on the 4000 and 3000LE... that feature would get me to use the studio

Pete/Dan: CHOP SHOP improvements for v1.4

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=163844

So when you press the suggested F2 [Rechop] button, how does the Ren/Studio know which method to use to Chop the region into? Does a 'Rechop' window open with options? Or does it use the currently selected Chop To settings?

Thx JAH Now we're talking!!!! Don't have an answer but that would be an option,

after rechop a small box appears and then asks, rechop by # of regions/equally/transients with the respective options. Then one says do it than the result is showing applied to only the previously selected region. The result is mapped to the pads just like now. That would be a killer feature.

when I get time over the weekend I will put some thought into how it could work and post back.

e9000k wrote:Thx JAH Now we're talking!!!! Don't have an answer but that would be an option,

after rechop a small box appears and then asks, rechop by # of regions/equally/transients with the respective options. Then one says do it than the result is showing applied to only the previously selected region. The result is mapped to the pads just like now. That would be a killer feature.

when I get time over the weekend I will put some thought into how it could work and post back.

Cool. Look forward to hearing your idea.

e9000k wrote:Thx JAH Now we're talking!!!! Don't have an answer but that would be an option,

after rechop a small box appears and then asks, rechop by # of regions/equally/transients with the respective options. Then one says do it than the result is showing applied to only the previously selected region. The result is mapped to the pads just like now. That would be a killer feature.

when I get time over the weekend I will put some thought into how it could work and post back.

If memory serves me right, the 5000 does re-chop the way you describe. Some food for thought.

The 5000... had it for 2 months a few years ago.. yes, yes, yes !!! I will get back onto the MPC Studio tonight and see if I can come up with some ideas.

good to see progress up in here..

so long as the ren can do all the basic functions of 2500/jjos1 ill be happy.

im at crossroads after having to mash my iphone upon the main and misc buttons as usual this weekend, of whether to buy a 4th right hand PCB board and repairs for my 2.5k or get a ren for the simplicity of exporting to PT alone.. plus better quality effects/eqs other obvious things.

apart from that, why change a good thing?

i get what y'all are saying, but im with e9000k and simply happy with the basics yo.

on the previous topic of chopping methods, i use the divide and conquer method 85% of the time. imo the 3k & 4k are way behind the mark of jjos1 chop shop. i had an xl for some yrs and couldnt imagine chopping on that now, as much as i loved it!

i can just imagine all the sideways responses akai would get, regarding ppl with their own legacy agenda.. just sayin'
*i really hope ping pong looping is working like it should, otherwise i would be pissed!


some of the 'bugs' are fkn bonkers to me!
*like no undo history from the package??
wtf
^all i can think is akai spent there money before they made it on that one!
*cant drag multiple files into whatever.
*i cringed hard when reading on the bug thread that there was a saving issue, coming from that akai os-new folder bug that lost me so many beats and countless days of my time!

QUESTION
1#does the ren soft auto backup like PT does??
i have never lost a session with PT, after reading the bug thread this sparked my att.

2#im assuming you can copy sequences in a normal mp fashion?
@jah... regarding the track mixer/sequence/effect issue i read some ppl where having, which is human error imo as the mpc does not work in this way as jah was sayin..
i work in one sequence, make sure im near final, then copy ~20 times and construct in song mode! that is mpc workflow i assume akai have implemented into the soft?
--and yes this would be a good place to put a dropbox and ask me if i want to work in this way.... in a new project setting or a side bar tick.


dont get me wrong, i really want this to succeed. i'm pretty sure it will.
and i need the workflow!!
i myself wouldnt want to make enemies with an army of relentless mpc fiends!

forgive me for ranting a bit, this is my first post in while but thought i might as well hash it out in one post.


end of the day, my workflow is 100% mpc driven!
& traditional mpc workflow is just that.
but
IF U AINT GOT THE BASICS, YOU AINT GOT SHIT

What is funny is that you have individuals demanding that the Ren have a 'traditional' MPC workflow. Then when it does (Mixer, Copy Sequences, Song Mode), some get irate that Akai haven't taken what is a 'traditional' MPC workflow and expanded upon it.

i cant really comment as i've only used a ren brielfy in a shop.
so im not exactly sure on what its missing or where it lacks in getting the job done.
but it felt solid, and the software did seem pretty straight forward.
i felt at home..
it's just the bugs and workflow that scare me off...