Beatcleaver 1.3 is out, now with Time Stretching

Lastly, do you have a good youtube video I can watch to see how the JJOS non destructive chop works? I'm curious about how it does overlapping slices...

Thanks for the feedback!
Albert

asantoni wrote:

Coz wrote:Unfortunately yes.

I work exclusively at 24/48 in the MPC4000. If I could avoid having to dip into Sound Forge via VMware Fusion to chop up samples it would be a massive bonus.

Ok, talked me into it. I've been working on this and I can confirm the next feature update (probably 1.3.1) is going to be able to save to different samplerates (22500, 44100, 48000, 96000, and 192000 Hz):

Cool... just don't double the price again.

ALL it needs is some sort of ADSR... or if not... all I really mean is a way to do a slight fade on the beginning and/or end of chops because there is a tiny click noise at times. It would save time and make beat cleaver that much more useful if I could do that in beat cleaver and not wait til my chops are in a DAW. yay or nay?

Hey guys, sorry to keep you hanging! Gonna split up the replies into separate posts to keep things easy to read.

konc3pt and phx_chronic: I just started working on MIDI controller support for the next version, and things are looking good so far. It lets you preview / trigger the slices from a MIDI controller so you can play around with your chops a bit.

I don't have a fancy mapping system or anything, but I do let you set the base note for your controller (eg. 36) so as long as the notes are chromatic on your MIDI Controller, hopefully that's good enough.

sbtst6 wrote:

phx_chronic wrote:

konc3pt wrote:app looks good!

any thoughts of midi implementation in future releases ? to clarify in case question is too broad. it'd be nice if the application was capable of doing xxx amount of slices and they can be triggered via midi while the application is rewired in host app such as live for example

keep up good work

or even juust as to be able preview slices using a midi controller?

This would be nice + a possible rex support?

Could definitly be a Recycle killer! Recycle hasnt really changed much in years..

I can implement REX reading support but not REX writing support because it's a proprietary format that Propellerhead keeps a secret, so unfortunately Recycle is the only thing that will ever write to REX.

That said, I want to figure out how to replace the functionality of REX, maybe with a new format that also saves audio+slices (or something like ACIDized WAVEs) in combination with a VST plugin.

But first, what are you guys using REX for? What's your workflow for music making with REX files and what software do you use?

Thanks!
Albert

mr_debauch wrote:for overlapping slices, maybe you could have a sort of list or set of slots (one for each "chop" or section/sample piece... and each of those would have it's own start/end points and who knows.. maybe eventually some other parameters some day.

That way.. say in a break, you could have the first slice be the entire original sample (say a drum break so you remember what the original sounded like in a folder of cuts)



that might be cool..


I was wondering though, the drag and drop slices... let's say you did the thing you mentioned where you are slicing a .flac file from a vinyl rip.. (as you said, many people rip vinyls into flac format) ... when you do the drag and drop... does that count as an export? IE: does the resulting file get converted into a .wav file? That would be a major time saving feature.. it would also turn your program into a converter at the same time essentially... not sure if that was mentioned on the site because I didn't go to it..


also, you mention updates and things you are planning for future releases. Does a purchase now equal getting those updates for free? Or is it a pay to upgrade model?


Last but not least.. the most important question... when you launch the app.... does it make an awesome cleaver slamming sound upon startup?

mr_debauch and Andy: Thanks for the video and letting me know how non-destructive chops work in JJOS!

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it seems like non-destructive chops are mainly just to save RAM on the MPC, is that correct? The fact that they can be overlapping is a side effect, but I see how that opens up new possibilities for chopping.

I've been letting this one stew for a bit, but I think I've got some ideas for how to do this. I'm trying to design an "Edit Mode" for BeatCleaver and I think having a list of different edits and chops might be handy with that mode.

mr_debauch: Yes, BeatCleaver converts FLACs to WAVEs any time it saves, so it's also a converter. This includes when you drag and drop export too!

I don't have any plan to charge for updates to BeatCleaver. What are your thoughts on if there was a plug-in version? (Would it make sense for that to be separate?)

Lastly, no cleaver sounds, mr_debauch .... yet

goldslum wrote:ALL it needs is some sort of ADSR... or if not... all I really mean is a way to do a slight fade on the beginning and/or end of chops because there is a tiny click noise at times. It would save time and make beat cleaver that much more useful if I could do that in beat cleaver and not wait til my chops are in a DAW. yay or nay?

Big yay on this one, it's on my TODO list for the next update (1.3.1?) but I want to make sure I do it right.

I'm planning the option to add a short fade to the start and end of each slice, but I want to do it right. I'm worried that it'll make it too easy to accidentally cut off the start of kicks and other transients. Maybe the fade will have to be really really short, or maybe I'll try to find a way to show the fade region when you're slicing.

Does that make sense?

asantoni wrote:I'm planning the option to add a short fade to the start and end of each slice, but I want to do it right. I'm worried that it'll make it too easy to accidentally cut off the start of kicks and other transients. Maybe the fade will have to be really really short, or maybe I'll try to find a way to show the fade region when you're slicing.

Does that make sense?

yes it does.. that would be neat. I can't say I have seen that shown before (not that I have used hundreds of these types of apps before)

you could maybe look at things like the dr.rex (octorex) player to see what they do.. and the fruity slicer etc.. they have ADSR etc.. so it might give you ideas of how that plays out when done.

asantoni wrote:Hey guys, sorry to keep you hanging! Gonna split up the replies into separate posts to keep things easy to read.

konc3pt and phx_chronic: I just started working on MIDI controller support for the next version, and things are looking good so far. It lets you preview / trigger the slices from a MIDI controller so you can play around with your chops a bit.

I don't have a fancy mapping system or anything, but I do let you set the base note for your controller (eg. 36) so as long as the notes are chromatic on your MIDI Controller, hopefully that's good enough.

That's good to hear it don't have to be fancy as long as it works

Been using the program alot since purchased.. Just realised that there isnt an option to pitch the sample up or down. I wouldn't mind seeing pitch adjustment, which would be great to use with the slicing on the fly feature, to get more Accuracy when slicing a fast sample.

and

Would it be possible to crop sample by the start and end points.. Nice to drag whole songs in, but i usually have to chop/crop my loop in another program then import it into to beatcleaver

Thank You for the great program!! Very happy with it!

I'd buy this in a heart beat if it could:

1) Crop/Truncate
2) Detect/set BPM based on loop markers
3) Lock in a start/end point (let's say 1 bar) and then be able to drag that 1 bar segment throughout the sample to chop out 1 bar regions of an entire song

MaZe wrote:I'd buy this in a heart beat if it could:


3) Lock in a start/end point (let's say 1 bar) and then be able to drag that 1 bar segment throughout the sample to chop out 1 bar regions of an entire song

hey that is a neat idea... if the entire song is on time... or if there was an autodetection/correction

sbtst6 wrote:Just realised that there isnt an option to pitch the sample up or down.

yeah. was just about to post this.... only thing missing really... and it would be great if that was on the main page, instead of in the time stretch option screen, so that you could just try pitchin up n down real quick while your chopping without it being destructively editing the sample.

Just purchased it.... wicked app

I would like to do envelope fades on waves to prevent clicking... number one for me,
nice to haves are save as PAC files for mpc, or save midi with sample slices ie recycle.... main one is save as PGM format, allowing to create PGM files and mapping would be awesome

On the whole this is a wicked app and I can rate it highly, but I need fades

All the best

sbtst6 wrote:Been using the program alot since purchased.. Just realised that there isnt an option to pitch the sample up or down. I wouldn't mind seeing pitch adjustment, which would be great to use with the slicing on the fly feature, to get more Accuracy when slicing a fast sample.

and

Would it be possible to crop sample by the start and end points.. Nice to drag whole songs in, but i usually have to chop/crop my loop in another program then import it into to beatcleaver

Thank You for the great program!! Very happy with it!

Thanks sbtst6!

Oh yeah, a quick way to sample pitch is a good idea. I actually used to have that way back in the day in a pre-release version of BeatCleaver but I ended up scrapping it (long story). Could be time for that to make a comeback though!

Re: Trimming - If you grab the little red and blue handles at the top corners of the waveform view, you should be able to "trim" a sample like that. Does that work differently from what you want to be able to do?