A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvin

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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Golden_Era Thu May 30, 2013 9:12 pm
Dj Reg seems like a mad cool dude and while you may not agree with him pulling drums off hip hop records you cant say its unethical. These producers are pulling drums off other musicians its called sampling. Unless you make your own music and dont sample i dont think you have a case!

If you dont think big name producers do the same and share drums i hate to burst your bubble but you are sadly mistaken !

You dont think dudes like Primo and Pete rock Showbiz etc didnt swap/share their kits back in the day?? Lol I CAN GUARANTEE THEY DO!! Hell they even used the same samples!!

Do your thing Reg !!

"rap is an art you dont own no loops, its how you hook it up and the rhyme style troop"!
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Metatron72 Thu May 30, 2013 9:37 pm
Golden_Era wrote:You dont think dudes like Primo and Pete rock Showbiz etc didnt swap/share their kits back in the day?? Lol I CAN GUARANTEE THEY DO!! Hell they even used the same samples!!

"rap is an art you dont own no loops, its how you hook it up and the rhyme style troop"!


No I doubt they shared drums. First off they all were/are top diggers, so why would they ever have to? Is it so hard to picture two producers both mining the same drums at the source... :hmmm:

As a matter of a fact one time Pete Rock left the infamous basement to piss and Q-Tip slyly got off the couch and scoped what record was near Pete's sampler. Tip broke out quick and went home, shortly thereafter dropped a beat with Pete's exact sample hooked exactly as Pete had it looped. Pete had zero intention of telling Tip what record was looping on the speakers.

He thought shouting Pete at the end of the track would suffice. Pete Rock is on record saying that while they are good friends he still thinks it was kinda shiesty. Because it was.

It's taking shorts plain and simple. Sampling an already mined, hooked up sample, from a mastered hip hop production rather than just go sample it yourself from the original joint if you want those drums. come on y'all.

I can only imagine what other fouls some of you would co-sign. What's next "Ghost Writers...AWESOME FOR THE GAME!" :hmmm:

Maybe we all should just start swiping chunks of each others posted music? Chop a bar, hook it up essentially the same and call it new and then be shocked if it's called a foul.... :Sigh:
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By peterpiper Thu May 30, 2013 9:42 pm
IMO its a big difference between having connections to other hiphop producers and share drumkits (I can imagine that this happened between some of the old producers if they had friendly relations although I guess most of them have their own copy of Impeach the president and sampled from there).

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just sample some other hiphop producers drums off the record.

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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Golden_Era Thu May 30, 2013 10:08 pm
You are truly mistaken if you don't believe guys like Primo, Large Pro etc. didn't share breaks and drums! They used the same drums i think some of you need to re-listen to some classic records many of the drums are the same!!

So taking an open drum loop that another producer took off another artist is robbery but its ok for you to find the same break and then sample it and use it? Lol. Interesting logic for sure.

Was it ok for Mf Doom to jack drums straight from BDP?

Bonita Applebums drums are taken from Little Feet's fool yourself and it was sampled at least 25 times in fact the fugees used the same break, so should it be off limits or is it ok for a producer to only sample it off the original record as opposed to a bonita applebum instrumental?
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Metatron72 Thu May 30, 2013 10:24 pm
Golden_Era wrote:You are truly mistaken if you don't believe guys like Primo, Large Pro etc. didn't share breaks ! They used the same drums i think some of you need to relisten to some classic records many of the drums are the same!!

But believe whatever makes you feel better.

So taking an open drum loop that another producer took off another artist is robbery but its ok for you to find the same break and then sample it and use it? Lol. Interesting logic for sure.

Was it ok for Mf Doom to jack drums straight from BDP?


How much plainer can it be stated...? Two classic producers having the same drums does not = automatically they shared the kits. Even if the shares did happen (and again why would they? I'm a hobbyist and have over a million drum hits literally. You think these dudes didn't go get theirs on their own? Please...)

No shit the drums are the same on a lot of records, :roll: , more than 99% percent likely they sampled the same record. And even if they shared chops, it would be the original records, not vic'ing your man's finished work.

If you make a pot of soup and I'm too lazy to go get my own ingredients, is it cool if I just dip in a ladle in your soup and call it mine?

Now maybe I do get my own ingredients and we both have carrots in our soup. That's cool because I went to the market and got my own, and didn't run up in your kitchen and and swoop on your already made soup.

And no it's wack Doom just lifted the BDP record. But that's a guy that sent Haasan Chop out to Cali numerous times to impersonate him and lip sync and rip off his own fans. So I'd avoid using him as any example.

Really maybe reconsider calling yourself Golden_Era, it seems you have a loose grasp on it.

I'm done with this nonsense. But hey show out for the cheap, easier, disrespectful to fellow beatmakers method all you guys want. You're just waving a flag that says "I don't really get it..."
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By peterpiper Thu May 30, 2013 10:27 pm
This has nothing to do with logic. HipHop isn't math.
Think about emotions, law, religion. Nothing of that is really logic (although some might think it is).

To me it makes a difference if a hiphop producer use already sampled, chopped up eqed compressed, mastered work of another hiphop producer or sample the original break and do the chopping, eqing, compression, rearranging by himself. If you do it by yourself you kind of put your own "style" on it while an already used break already have the "style" of the other producer and isn't that flexible to work with.

peace
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By CHOPFYT Thu May 30, 2013 10:36 pm
Id like to kmow how you have the inside track on EVERYTHING that happened in the 90s Golden :?

I bet those dudes did share breaks but only cos they found the original and used the same break

Doomsday sounds different from poetry except from that same rub is on both even if he did thats still lame and lazy even if i do like it

You say its def happened but when the pioneers looped their vinyl live (created hip hop and the breakbeat) they went to extreme lengths to keep their records secret they used to cover labels or even peel them off and carry records without their sleeves so only they could perform their routines you wanna take it back look before your god forsaken golden era when the sh*t really started

Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Golden_Era Thu May 30, 2013 10:51 pm
i bet you get mad at e-digging as well? Please tell us how that is disrespectful to hiphop too! I am done too i made my point hiphop is sampling based you cant say what is and isnt off limits imho.

People are fonna have differing opinions on this but i know for a fact several ny prodcers from back in the day shared records drums breaks and all! You dont think they ever swapped drum disks on the sp? Lol very naive but hey you are entitled to your opinion regardless of whether its factual.

Also not all golden era prodcers sat and eqd and mastered things to death! Many straight looped and ripped drums as they are off a record. But that should be wrong because the original artist they sampled from tweaked and mastered their sounds in the studio so by that logic everyone is unpure!

Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Golden_Era Thu May 30, 2013 11:01 pm
So Reg basically just find the original drum break for whatever beat you like and sample it from the original artist who had it mastered by their engineer and then you are fine according to your critics. Its obvious to me Reg does it as a tutorial to help aspiring producers and it surely doesnt bother me. Do your thing Reg.

How about all the posts i see with guys asking how to copy the loose drum programmig stlye of dilla and premier? Is mimicking their sound ok or is that immoral?

Hope some get my sarcasm.
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By Coz Thu May 30, 2013 11:10 pm
Golden_Era wrote:So taking an open drum loop that another producer took off another artist is robbery but its ok for you to find the same break and then sample it and use it? Lol. Interesting logic for sure.



I think there's a lot of grey areas within the 'unwritten rules'. For example, I remember reading Mr Scruff (UK producer) say that he "never sampled a sample". Everything was from the source. Likewise, taken to more extreme levels I've heard that DJ Shadow will/would only sample from the original release of a record.
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Re: A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvi

By mr_debauch Thu May 30, 2013 11:16 pm
Golden_Era wrote:People are fonna have differing opinions on this but i know for a fact several ny prodcers from back in the day shared records drums breaks and all! You dont think they ever swapped drum disks on the sp? Lol very naive but hey you are entitled to your opinion regardless of whether its factual.


yeah but you didn't hear large pro say "oh yeah sure.. you feel those drums in that beat? well why don't you take my album and get them from that.. so that way I dont gotta go digging through floppies"


I highly doubt he did that or would cosign that...


anyways those personal agreements behind closed doors amongst producers who know each other and swap content is not the same as trying to recycle classic hip hop songs cause noobs can't find dope breaks to sample this day and age with all the info and step by step instructions on youtube on how sampling is done. The dude is trying to encourage new cats to make "tribe called quest style beats" using actual tribe called quest cuts...

aint nobody trying to make funk music when they flip the amen break to make dnb... aint nobody trying to hide the fact that the winstons is being sampled... but sampling an aphrodite record instead of getting a clip of the original amen break would prove you don't got the skill to mangle that break.. which is one of the things people are checking for.. nobody thought or cared if you recorded the drums live.. we know it's a break... but trying to earn dnb skill cred from sampling an already existing classic dnb song gives you none.

IMO of course..
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