A Tribe Called Quest beat kit - dedicated to shank carvin

mr_debauch wrote:

reggiereg1 wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:hey I wont say you can't make dope stuff with that kit.... but at least have the decency to feel guilty about it..

Feel guilty about what? I am confused. Are you guys that serious and focused that you don't have fun anymore? I have fun with hip hop. I am hip hop. I've been doing this stuff since 1985 and I have no problem sampling and remixing something that I like. That is what I have been doing for years as a DJ, on the radio. Saturday night mastermix included sampling drums to remix the song.

yeah cool... great.. im talking about those said "noobs" you are providing the kits for as learning material. (or what ever the story was.. i've lost track)

the guilt comes in at the point... they didn't flip those breaks... which is like half of what makes a hip hop beat dope in the first place.. I know you know what I mean... when you hear a sample a producer flips and you know the song... or let's even say we hear two beats made by two different producers with the same sample being flipped... how do we evaluate which one is better or doper? By which one is flipped better... which one has drums that were flipped better.. which one is more unique.

At least that is what im looking at.. and while I may not know im hearing a beat made with those drum packs of yours.. but if I knew I made a banger and those were the drums i used... no edits.. just straight chopped from another producer's album.. id feel like I half assed it at my chopping game. Hell, Every beat I make I chop right off a break fresh each time and EQ/edit the sounds fresh for each beat (you gotta fit it in a way that works with the song, right?) and maybe I didn't get out the winston's B side to record it fresh, but I have that .flac or .wav on the computer for convenience..

hey, no hate.. have fun.. hell I remix stuff too... we're just having a discussion on hip hop here... redbull music should do one of those talks on this topic.

I help those noobs and I don't give them answers like read the manual. If they want to know what sample I used, I convert it and provide a download link for anyone that want to use it. It would be different If I sampled pete rock drums and call the beat totally mine. I constantly used Dilla/Pete Rock/ATCQ names throughout the video. I would never take credit for their hardwork. I think people have a misconception of me as that is all I do is sample producer drums and provide a kit. Many people have not been to my youtube page. I've posted 144 videos and out of those only 6 deal with producer kits. Other videos deal with remixes, samples, and beats I made-----using my own kit.

Metatron72 wrote:No it isn't the same. If the 3 of you don't get it you never will.

"So-called 'producer kits' have been floating around since the Internet made it easy. "

And they've been certified wack toy ish from jump. Not to mention a blatantly obviously foul against whatever producer.

Hip hop is built on sampling so it should cool to just sample already finished hip hop to skip some steps? (the best steps)

Emphatically no, and 9,999 out of 10,000 heads agree as the history of the game shows. I don't recall straight biting ever being in fashion.

" Its the same as people digging in the crates lugging home a stack of wax"

No it's actually nearly the antithesis of that, which seems obvious to 99% of people.

not everyone has access to digging in the crates man. When I was stationed in Alaska, do you really think I had access to dig through the crates there? Absolutely not. I ordered my stuff from New York. Fast forward to today, some people don't have the money to by records just to look for that obscure sound. That is why I have no problem sharing my collection because I know there are young people that would like to learn how to make beats. Many people, and I've seen it on here several time over just say "read the manual". Or Yo man I like your beat what sample did you use? And the beatmaker responds by saying, I am not telling you what sample I used. Really!!!

peterpiper wrote:^^

funny thread

I'm out.

diggin

there is a secondhand shop in the next town I havn't heard before.

Need to check it out


peace

some people just dont have the capability to dig in the next town, nor the funds but they are passionate about making hip hop music though.

reggiereg1 wrote: I am not telling you what sample I used. Really!!!

sample snitches = no good

SEANSTATIC wrote:

reggiereg1 wrote: I am not telling you what sample I used. Really!!!

sample snitches = no good

LOL! I knew someone would say that. I know there is a code but It really does not bother me to tell someone what sample I used. That is why I provide links on my videos so that others may want to try. Hell, I chop the sample up and give it away for those that are learning.

Back in the days, I use to spray paint my record so that no one would know the names but that is so old school now.

Right on Reggie. As has been said in a few posts, it's not beef. And your post a couple back is crystal clear where the middle ground between the opinions here lies.

And actually the last couple years this forum has moved away from the old "RTFM!!!/no one answers your beginning question post". (seriously it has changed here as far as that)

Your last post, yeah some cats won't tell off anything even this late in the game. I'm the opposite, but I might be more inclined to point the newer guy or someone with limited sample access to a WAV of the original drums or whole record.

I'm all about the share, these are posted here in some buried thread, but be download # 92 if you want. Just a huge folder of sub folders, 100's of sampled breaks chopped and ready to roll into kits.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/0oog5 ... ldered.zip

and what the hell, one more - http://www.mediafire.com/download/v0n9h ... Rolls_(B-F).zip

@SEANTASTIC, I don't tell off as many musical ones. But there's little point in keeping a vast amount of drum ones "secret", as tens of thousands people who are a little older or younger and really hardcore already know them.

I don't blow the spot outside of a place like this. I don't want to sick ASCAP and them on anybody in that context.

Metatron72 wrote:@SEANTASTIC, I don't tell off as many musical ones. But there's little point in keeping a vast amount of drum ones "secret", as tens of thousands people who are a little older or younger and really hardcore already know them.

no no I agree with the breaks, but when it comes to samples I try to keep it hush...

SEANSTATIC wrote:

Metatron72 wrote:@SEANTASTIC, I don't tell off as many musical ones. But there's little point in keeping a vast amount of drum ones "secret", as tens of thousands people who are a little older or younger and really hardcore already know them.

no no I agree with the breaks, but when it comes to samples I try to keep it hush...

Yeah I feel that, again to not accidentally entrap some other beatmaker, but also to not give away the farm if you have something less used or dare I say never used

hey reggiereg

i use the name peepintomthumb on youtube, called you out on your Practice yo chops being wack and misleading to producers.

Im with Metatron's earlier comment, maybe teach people how to chop out the OG stuff, not sample a hiphop track.

whats good?

peeping tom wrote:hey reggiereg

i use the name peepintomthumb on youtube, called you out on your Practice yo chops being wack and misleading to producers.

Im with Metatron's earlier comment, maybe teach people how to chop out the OG stuff, not sample a hiphop track.

whats good?

On that particular video, I used a sample cd called Premier Beats and Hip Hop Nstrumentals and I showed up and coming beatmakers how they can practice chopping samples from a sample CD.

According to the statistics of that video, 2811 hits, 80 people like it, 2 people dislike it, there were over 400 downloads on the link I provided. It may be wack to you but it surely has helped someone "practice their chops". Maybe you already know how to chop....I hear what you are saying but If I visualize an idea, I put it on youtube and let my work speak for itself. I can't make everyone happy. 1

This is the link you are referring to.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIg2sD4PQFw

hey that's cool... I never saw your youtube page..

but honestly, if a noob buys a multi hundred dollar machine (or what ever) and then he comes in here asking how to get dA sOundZz t0 da pAdz... I don't see how saying "well, here is a program with all your drums and samples already set up.." cause what is that teaching the noob? how to push pads like a game of milton bradley's simon?

Nah man.. learn your gear... learn how hip hop is made... and let's maybe help them for the long run by teaching them not to cut corners.. I know there is many the discussion around here about today's state of hip hop and the lack of quality whether it's lyrically, or productions wise... or what ever.

Anyways.. it's all good.. you are helping your youtube crowd and you know what type of thing they are looking for.. so that's good..

mr_debauch wrote:hey that's cool... I never saw your youtube page..

but honestly, if a noob buys a multi hundred dollar machine (or what ever) and then he comes in here asking how to get dA sOundZz t0 da pAdz... I don't see how saying "well, here is a program with all your drums and samples already set up.." cause what is that teaching the noob? how to push pads like a game of milton bradley's simon?

Nah man.. learn your gear... learn how hip hop is made... and let's maybe help them for the long run by teaching them not to cut corners.. I know there is many the discussion around here about today's state of hip hop and the lack of quality whether it's lyrically, or productions wise... or what ever.

Anyways.. it's all good.. you are helping your youtube crowd and you know what type of thing they are looking for.. so that's good..

Another good point taken but many people continue to be stuck in the same mentality as I learned it the hard way then so can you. I do this out of pure fun and hobby. I was doing this stuff way before youtube and if youtube shut down tomorrow, I will still be in my bedroom remixing. Many people watch my video for entertainment and don't bother to download but just to see what I am up to.
What isn't online now...Are you stuck in a chemistry class? No problem, go to youtube and you will find how to videos on any type of inorganic/organic chemistry. Does not mean you are going to master chemistry. You still have to study hard, understand the periodic table, and practice your formulas. Same thing with beatmaking in my opinion. We are in a new era of learning man.

The wonderer returns...like said multiple times if your remixing sh*t and advertising it in that manner then yeah cool but the corner cutting laziness is ack and incourages bad habits imo...im interested to know what you mean by youve been doing this for years in clubs and on radio?...you juggled sh*t live or you had yout mpc set up just like in the vids?

*one other thing go to the battle forum and check out battle 35 'remake a classic' not just to here my beat (before you say it) but to check out what people have done given the source material for classic songs and they did it without the mastered versions and this is what im saying i dont think theres anything wrong with e-digging or sharing kits all im saying is chop a version of the OG break and as ive said before im not one of those 'oh you should only sample vinyl' type dudes f that!...its too restrictive (golden era read my previous posts before flappin your gums)

I mean you can go on whosampledit and find the samples and then find the og online and d/l it just as quick its not rocket science so dont tarnish me with that hater brush...like you im just trying to help

Golden_Era wrote:i bet you get mad at e-digging as well? Please tell us how that is disrespectful to hiphop too! I am done too i made my point hiphop is sampling based you cant say what is and isnt off limits imho.

People are fonna have differing opinions on this but i know for a fact several ny prodcers from back in the day shared records drums breaks and all! You dont think they ever swapped drum disks on the sp? Lol very naive but hey you are entitled to your opinion regardless of whether its factual.

Also not all golden era prodcers sat and eqd and mastered things to death! Many straight looped and ripped drums as they are off a record. But that should be wrong because the original artist they sampled from tweaked and mastered their sounds in the studio so by that logic everyone is unpure!

Yeah, producers shared records with one another, in fact studios like Chung King and D & D had a vault of records for producers and in-house beat makers to dig in and get productive. But by no means did they sampled each others samples, thats a no-no. And I don't think any producer did any mastering, they just made the beat and the studio engineer tweaked it. But you seem to be reading this stuff from a book, I lived it from its birth, experienced the shows, jams, battles, subway bombing, carrying crates to the roof for that all-nighter, from its rise to its fall, I was there. "hiphop" is not Hip Hop. Don't get it twisted.

Illgreen,

you are no more hip hop than me or the next guy. Let's just stop with that nonsense. I've DJ'd for 20 yrs now made beats on ASRs, MPs software etc. I lived in Fat Beats NYC for yrs and talked to mad heads especially mad underground producers!

I know for 100% fact that producers many of you admire shared the same open drum break records and used the SAME EXACT drums..they shared ideas, samples, records, drum kits aka floppies back in the day because it wasn't as easy back then to get your hands on stuff and it could be expensive. Hell i know a highly respected underground producer head who sold his drum kits backs in the day on floppies by word of mouth on the street!! So he broke your moral code.

Some of you may have cooked up some moral code that you can only sample straight from vinyl, only use unused breaks and drums etc...that is surely your choice. I am not against it especially when they are super obvious breaks with very little tweaking like Reg's ATQ kit.

What do you think Guru meant when he said "you cant own no loops, its how you hook em up and the rhyme style troop"!