Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By Lampdog Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:44 pm
Swing is a big ole unevenly spaced tick grid.

Notes are still in time with the bar as a whole, but not evenly spaced between all ticks like a straight 1/16 no swing would be.

% just makes the placement earlier/later a couple or several ticks.

The "mpc swing/groove"

Could have started out as someone making a hhat track and then swinging it on an mpc, several takes, several swing settings, wrote down the tick placements (would take a long time manually or) save as MID, maybe they copied the "groove" (tick placement, not the notes themselves) from the MID file, made a template where it forces your midi notes to that groove grid (forces your closest notes to that template swing grid).
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By SimonInAustralia Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:55 pm
crossings wrote:i always though the SWING setting was a variation in how the MPC plays the sequenced track back, and that the swing wasn't actually recorded in the timing of the sequence... perhaps i'm wrong here. i wouldn't be surprised if it were the case though.

I think it places the notes into the sequence in the swung position, not in the unswung position with swing on playback.

You might be confusing another function that doesn't end up in the MIDI files, is it note variation, or aftertouch, or something like that?
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By crossings Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:37 pm
i know what SWING is..... i'm just not 100% certain if the MPC will save it within the sequence when converting to MIDI... that's all.

my doubt comes from the fact that in most sequencers you can change the SWING setting in realtime and the sequence will change playback but not affect how the actual track was sequenced/recorded [the SP12 and SP1200 come to mind]... whereas when i change SWING settings in the MPC [specific only to the selected track] i need to apply the setting to that track in order for it to have effect.

this is all speculation on my behalf regarding swing and the MID files... which seems to be what most of us are doing here... this may also vary per MPC or OS...

if the swing settings do translate properly when converted to a MID file... then cool. :mrgreen:
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By Metatron72 Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:19 pm
Yeah crossings, exactly. It's one of those things that would have to be tested. Both possibilities seem plausible, but if doesn't save the swing intact, you've already nailed the why.

Maybe before the days up I''ll save a ridiculously swung sequence and see what happens when loaded in a DAW (it's illegal in Maschine world to load a MIDI file, still find that flabbergasting) with and without a grid on.

Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By NavNek Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:05 pm
Thanks guys for the help!
@Lampdog I couldnt find anything that resembles 'one type breaks out into several tracks in the daw ' in the manual. Could you elaborate that part?

So correct me if Im wrong but the way to go is:
Resample all tracks of all sequences to audio files -> transfer them to my computer and line them up in my DAW. So no MIDI involved in this matter?

Thanks again
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By Metatron72 Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:25 pm
NavNek wrote:Thanks guys for the help!
@Lampdog I couldnt find anything that resembles 'one type breaks out into several tracks in the daw ' in the manual. Could you elaborate that part?

So correct me if Im wrong but the way to go is:
Resample all tracks of all sequences to audio files -> transfer them to my computer and line them up in my DAW. So no MIDI involved in this matter?

Thanks again


Soloing the tracks and doing them one at at a time is the common method.

And the second part, yes if you just want to mix the audio stems from the MPC in Logic that will cover it. Adding the extra bar of at the beginning of all your tracks in the MPC that Lamp mentioned is a great help to have everything line up with no headaches. So no need to record/transfer the MIDI/Seq files from the MPC to Logic.

Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By NavNek Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:43 pm
Thanks! My last ignorant question(s).
1. Do I place a blank bar in front of each track inside the MP or in Logic.
2. Also since this way is not MIDI related, why puttin a blank bar in front of each track? (excuse my ignorance)
3. Regarding the blank bar: If this needs to be done in the MP does that mean i have to work with 5 bars (when i normally work with 4) for each track and let it play through the first bar without playing the mp and start playing when the second bar hits?
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By Lampdog Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:27 pm
NavNek wrote:@Lampdog I couldnt find anything that resembles 'one type breaks out into several tracks in the daw ' in the manual. Could you elaborate that part?


Type 1 files contain separate information for each track. For a Type 0 file, however, all the tracks are merged into a single track, although MIDI channel information is still retained. When a Type 0 file is loaded into a sequencer, it will take each channel's information and put it on a separate track. So for a typical sequence with one track per MIDI channel, it will normally not matter if the sequence is saved as Type 0 or Type 1. But if your source sequence has several tracks assigned to the same MIDI channel (for example several drum tracks playing the same program on the same channel, but with an individual drum sound on each track), then it is best to export it as a Type 1 file. If exported as Type 0, all tracks assigned to the same channel will be merged into a single track when the .MID file is loaded.

again...

Standard MIDI Files come in two basic varieties: a Type 1 file, and a Type 0 file (a Type 2 was also specified originally but never really caught on, so we won't spend any time discussing it here).

In a Type 1 file individual parts are saved on different tracks within the sequence. In a Type 0 file everything is merged onto a single track.

Midi Type 1 is a General Midi File with multiple tracks. This format retains the track label and can be seen by most sequencer software products.

Midi Type 0 is a General Midi File with a single track. This format does not retain any track label information.
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By Lampdog Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:38 pm
NavNek wrote:Thanks! My last ignorant question(s).
1. Do I place a blank bar in front of each track inside the MP or in Logic.


Just at the very beginning, yes. It doesn't have to be blank, you can record a 1/4 high hat in there and use that same hhat bar in front of all your sequences so when you import all the tracks you can just line up the hhats in front of all the tracks.

The blank bar would be for midi lock so all gear can start at the same time. Use the hhat method when importing audio tracks that you RECORD FROM MAIN OUT.

Hhat bar sequenced same tempo as the real song.
Hhat bar using 1/4 at the beginning of each MAIN OUT RECORDING.
RECORD MAIN OUT
Drop the main out recording into daw track.
Rinse repeat for several tracks in daw.
All tracks in daw will have the hhats in the front, line them all up, done, everything is in sync, or if your feeling froggy, you can slide any track a little forward or backwards and get a different feel, your choice, try it, don't like it, put it back to normal.

Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By NavNek Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:48 pm
Thanks, but I still don't know how to save it as a Type 1 of Type 0 midi file inside the MPC..I couldnt find anything related to it in the manual.
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By SimonInAustralia Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:54 pm
NavNek wrote:Thanks, but I still don't know how to save it as a Type 1 of Type 0 midi file inside the MPC..I couldnt find anything related to it in the manual.

You don't save it as a MIDI file.

You seem to want to be taking audio files from the MPC to Logic, this is nothing to do with MIDI files.

Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By NavNek Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:57 pm
Now I'm confused. I understand know that the common method in my situation is to resample the tracks as audio files and transfer them to my DAW. So no need for the the whole MIDI type 1 story, right?

But... Just in case.. I want to know how to save my sequences as MIDI files (and how to choose type 1) in the MPC so I can import them in to my DAW.
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By SimonInAustralia Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:07 pm
No need for MIDI if transferring audio.

To save a sequence as a MIDI file, go into the save screen, choose MIDI, and save it.

Don't have my JJOS MPC here at the moment, so can't check the exact options availble, just try it and see what it says.

On the Akai MPC2500 OS, you can select MID as the file type to save a sequence into, and this makes it a type 1 MIDI file, there is no type 0 option.

Not sure exactly what the MIDI file type options are in JJOS.
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Re: Dumping sequences to Logic Pro

By Lampdog Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:05 am
SimonInAustralia wrote:No need for MIDI if transferring audio.
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