I know 1.4 is 64 bit but will it be multicore?

SimonInAustralia wrote:

cpm31 wrote:my english are not very good and i know sh@t about computers.so i'm asking to make it clear, if 1.4 is 64 bit but no multicore how much better (how much more power) the software will run, how much power will use from my 16 giga ram?

Any performance increase from moving from 32 bit to 64 bit really depends on what sort of calculations are being performed, and how the application is programmed.

I have seen examples that suggest you might only get around 10% increase in real world processing power.

Moving from single processor to multi-processors/cores would give much greater increases in performance than moving from 32 bit to 64 bit.

ok first of all i don't like see people fighting in a forum that has to do with our common love for music and specifically mpc.

second i am with Jah in this when he says that first things first.i mean i do care that my mpc can use in full the power of my pc otherwise what's the point of having a ren.BUT i care more akai to fix things like stability and bugs. i can't use an mpc when it's crashing all the time and when i have to find many side ways for making simple things in order not to trigger any bugs.

on the other hand i can surely live with an mpc that has less potentials than it should and but works fine , so i work with it and learn in it in full, till it gets the multicore feature but can't stand an mpc that freezes and sh@t cause that is even less than the previous mpcs are up now.

if 64 bit gives akai the tools to make ren rock solid i'll be more than happy and will wait patienly for multicore and for the ability to use more plugins, if not then the guys who are asking for multicore support are right but if i have understood this well that's not the case.

jesus christ people i am so exiting about ren, i have been dreaming this since when roland mv 8800 came out and wasn't even half as good as the mpc ren can be, not to mention the weird workflow it had.

i am sure that all these arguments are basically popping up cause 1.4 is not out yet and mpc ren is not at the standarts it should have been, in my huble oppinion, since it was released.

lets all hope that 1.4 comes out soon and lives up to the expectations.so next time we will be posting in a topic it will be about how dope the mpc ren is and how to make it doper.

akai please release the 1.4, make it work and i promise you have my money next day, can't wait to buy a ren.

peace

pspsounds wrote:I got 16GB of RAM ready to go too.

You will find the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit is huge. Using plugins like the Mach Five, I run out of memory way before seeing my CPU power maxed out. 64 bit Ren significantly improves performance in this regard.

cpm31 wrote:if 64 bit gives akai the tools to make ren rock solid i'll be more than happy and will wait patienly for multicore and for the ability to use more plugins, if not then the guys who are asking for multicore support are right but if i have understood this well that's not the case.

64 bit is no guarantee of increased stability, it just allows for addressing larger memory spaces, and larger chunks of data to processed in each CPU cycle. But plugins like Omnisphere that use samples and things like Kontakt, will be able to a LOT more than you can at 32 bit.

But obviously that's probably the slight delay you guys are experiencing, Akai trying to address overall stability and make sure the 64 bit aspect doesn't cause new issues.

And sure, being patient is good and necessary when you invest in products. The only thing really being brought out in this thread is that multi core is a huge upside for users and looking at the market, quite common. So the sooner the better.

Metatron72 wrote:

cpm31 wrote:if 64 bit gives akai the tools to make ren rock solid i'll be more than happy and will wait patienly for multicore and for the ability to use more plugins, if not then the guys who are asking for multicore support are right but if i have understood this well that's not the case.

64 bit is no guarantee of increased stability, it just allows for addressing larger memory spaces, and larger chunks of data to processed in each CPU cycle. But plugins like Omnisphere that use samples and things like Kontakt, will be able to a LOT more than you can at 32 bit.

But obviously that's probably the slight delay you guys are experiencing, Akai trying to address overall stability and make sure the 64 bit aspect doesn't cause new issues.

And sure, being patient is good and necessary when you invest in products. The only thing really being brought out in this thread is that multi core is a huge upside for users and looking at the market, quite common. So the sooner the better.

my knowledge on pc issues are very limited if not below average.thanks for enlightening me.i never said though that 64 bit is a guarantee for increased stability but i have heard it will help. again if 64 doesn't help then i care even less for 64 than i care about stability and bug free mpc.the other things will come and i can wait,besides i can always add plug ins in my cubase, i can't stand a buggy machine though, my temper is not a good one in these situations, i broke my pc tower a year ago for a reason like this.

Metatron72 wrote:64 bit is no guarantee of increased stability, it just allows for addressing larger memory spaces, and larger chunks of data to processed in each CPU cycle. But plugins like Omnisphere that use samples and things like Kontakt, will be able to a LOT more than you can at 32 bit.

Yes, can load larger sample banks, but it's not really going to help with running multiple CPU hungry instruments and effects at once, while maintaining minimal latency.

That is what I would refer to as processing power/performance, in which 64 bit doesn't seem to offer much improvement over 32 bit, not memory capacity, in which it does.

cpm31, like has been mentioned earlier in the thread 64 bit even without multi core support will still be a huge plus if you have something like Kontakt or Mach 5 and again Omnisphere. In all those cases those instruments can load up 16 huge RAM hungry patches in memory and still run pretty on a single core.

So when you can load that many quality multi sampled patches or in Omni's case synth patches made from a lot of samples, it's more like shoving a whole workstation keyboard into your software. But if you don't use any plugins that are like that it's lees of a concern.

But even if you don't use a lot of multi sampled RAM intensive instruments, at least 64 bit leaves that there for the taking if you do get an instrument or two like that.

The improvements in 1.3 and 1.4 to include but limited to 64 bit does in fact make the Ren more stable on several fronts.

Maxing out memory while using various plugins have been among the most frequently reported issues by Ren/Studio users in this forum over the past 7-8 months. 64 Bit support, memory limit warning messages, using plugins on multiple tracks or sequences without duplication, and various other tweaks have made the Ren/Studio more stable and a pleasure to use.

J Sandeen (Technical Representative)
We are pushing for 64bit, if thats what you mean. The software can already use more than one processor. 64 bit would allow users with 64 bit processors to use all their juice/RAM. Otherwise the 32 bit software will not be able to access anything passed 4GB of RAM. This is also the reason why many laptops, especially 32bit systems built, will max out at 4GB for upgrades.

Thanks for our support!

So J says already is multi ore. IDK

I didi a test within both maschine and Ren as plug-in in Logic Pro 9 and Ableton Live, using same instances of kontakt, massive, fm8 and absyth.

Ren cpu load was lower than maschine, i guess around 30% 35%...but i dont think mpc software is multicore...if i open the same plug-ins into any multicore daw tha cpu load is much lower.

Jnmmorgan79 wrote:J Sandeen (Technical Representative)
We are pushing for 64bit, if thats what you mean. The software can already use more than one processor. 64 bit would allow users with 64 bit processors to use all their juice/RAM. Otherwise the 32 bit software will not be able to access anything passed 4GB of RAM. This is also the reason why many laptops, especially 32bit systems built, will max out at 4GB for upgrades.

Thanks for our support!

So J says already is multi core. IDK

You ask him about multi core and he explains 64 bit to you...

"The software can already use more than one processor." Avoids saying multi core capable, doesn't clarify or offer any proof of his statement...smoke and mirrors...

Metatron72 wrote:

Jnmmorgan79 wrote:J Sandeen (Technical Representative)
We are pushing for 64bit, if thats what you mean. The software can already use more than one processor. 64 bit would allow users with 64 bit processors to use all their juice/RAM. Otherwise the 32 bit software will not be able to access anything passed 4GB of RAM. This is also the reason why many laptops, especially 32bit systems built, will max out at 4GB for upgrades.

Thanks for our support!

So J says already is multi core. IDK

You ask him about multi core and he explains 64 bit to you...

"The software can already use more than one processor." Avoids saying multi core capable, doesn't clarify or offer any proof of his statement...smoke and mirrors...

Im glad that I'm not the only one that caught this...

processor =/= core

He basically, and truthfully, stated that the software can already use more than one processor. Of course it does.

MaZe wrote:

Metatron72 wrote:

Jnmmorgan79 wrote:J Sandeen (Technical Representative)
We are pushing for 64bit, if thats what you mean. The software can already use more than one processor. 64 bit would allow users with 64 bit processors to use all their juice/RAM. Otherwise the 32 bit software will not be able to access anything passed 4GB of RAM. This is also the reason why many laptops, especially 32bit systems built, will max out at 4GB for upgrades.

Thanks for our support!

So J says already is multi core. IDK

You ask him about multi core and he explains 64 bit to you...

"The software can already use more than one processor." Avoids saying multi core capable, doesn't clarify or offer any proof of his statement...smoke and mirrors...

Im glad that I'm not the only one that caught this...

processor =/= core

He basically, and truthfully, stated that the software can already use more than one processor. Of course it does.

Even a lowly netbook Intel N series CPU shows the OS a virtual dual processor. That is not the same as SSE instruction set compliance and true multi core hyper threaded operation. A Windows user could probably prove the statement wrong in about 5 minutes with a copy XperfWindows Performance Toolkit (WPT) and loading as many plugins as you have cores. ("x" amount of physical cores+"x" amount of virtual cores. For example an i5/i7 CPU will show 4 physical and 4 virtual cores for a total of of 8.)

Xperf or a comparable tool on OS X would show each respective plugin's thread activity on a new core for each plugin loaded until cores run out if it is multi core compliant. I highly doubt that's what would be seen.

But like the "analog 3000 circuitry" I'm sure "because we said so" is more than enough proof for...well one user anyway.

Metatron72 wrote:But like the "analog 3000 circuitry" I'm sure "because we said so" is more than enough proof for...well one user anyway.

Multicore would be way more important to me than 64bit personally... by a long way.

Coz wrote:

Metatron72 wrote:But like the "analog 3000 circuitry" I'm sure "because we said so" is more than enough proof for...well one user anyway.

Multicore would be way more important to me than 64bit personally... by a long way.

Yeah unless it's something like Kontakt or Omni I mentioned previously, running more insert FX and sound generating (not sample based) synths is going to be more useful for most everyone. But when the two are both available, life is good, see Reason, Live, Logic, FL Studio, Reaper, Cubase, 80%+ of all plugins...well anything really.

It's ironic that Kontakt as an 'all singing and dancing' sampler has been reduced to a glorified rompler engine for most people!

I've got several 1GB+ piano libraries for Kontakt, and most of the time they don't sound any better than the grand piano that came free with the 4K. I appreciate that Omnisphere is a different kettle of fish though.

I've just always piled on the plugin effects, so multicore would be essential for me.