Let's make a Synth

sally wrote:WaveForm

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building
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sally wrote:BUMP!!!

Turn on my MPC.
Press mode + pad 5 ( Go to Record )
Select: Analog Input
Press press F6 ( Start Record a few seconds/moments for sample1 ) = Recording Noise for sample1



Ok

Go to Trim mode ( mode + pad 6 )

With sample1
EDIT: Normalize 100% for example.

sally wrote:end point 44100 and discard ( trim edit )


you see this TONE/NOTE is square Wave, also Sine wave is very possible , other TONES/NOTES and much more!

Now, you know it!!
We can make a WaveForm with....

sally wrote: single cycle not be enough.

IN THIS OTHER EXAMPLE...
in the final result, we could
get 8* octaves lower, (*= number of octaves )
of that WaveForm.



BUMP!!!!

this is for those who need more explanations about single cycle...

look at!!
even in loop mode.

built a single cycle in a second does not sound like a single cycle in half a second.
depending on the time factor, the result is different (the sound is different because they have different hertz).


------------> jjos2 onboard synthesizer tips: a sampler IS a synth

I think I'm going to buy and restore an old MPC 4000 soon. I'll join in this conversation soon as I have lots of experience in creating synthesizers out of samplers.

Airyck wrote:I think I'm going to buy and restore an old MPC 4000 soon. I'll join in this conversation soon as I have lot of experience in creating synthesizers out of samplers.

Well, let me be the first to welcome you to the 4000 family. You won't be disappointed.

With that said, with 4000 prices so low right now, is it worth it to restore one? Unless you just really want that challenge. Just sayin'.

MaZe wrote:

Airyck wrote:I think I'm going to buy and restore an old MPC 4000 soon. I'll join in this conversation soon as I have lot of experience in creating synthesizers out of samplers.

Well, let me be the first to welcome you to the 4000 family. You won't be disappointed.

With that said, with 4000 prices so low right now, is it worth it to restore one? Unless you just really want that challenge. Just sayin'.

Thanks!

I want to restore one because of the challenge partially and also to know that the majority of parts in it will be brand new which helps me to know that it will last for years to come.

I worked as service repair technician doing authorized repair for Roland, Yamaha, Korg, Akai etc for quite a while so I'm not frightened in any way by the challenge. I've already figured out what parts are available. I'll probably repaint the base myself. The only thing I worry about is the condition of the front cover but I guess I can always cover it with a skin or customize it some how.

I've thought about getting a good condition one but like I said I want to put in as many new parts as I can anyway so I might as well get myself a beat up one for half the price.

I'm new to the MPC world in general with the Renaissance being my first. The Ren has potential but it's a long way off so I wanted to jump into a more mature MPC. I did a lot of research and the 4000 seems like the most capable machine out of all of them (especially since keygroups are very important to me).

Also I mostly use hardware for everything anyway so I might as well go 100% hardware and this really seems like it might be the best hardware sequencer/sampler in existence in the known universe anyway.

I'm going to end up with one either way (restoration or good condition) and I'm very excited about it (within the next week hopefully).

I'll start sharing my synth making techniques and samples/patches as soon as I'm up and running.

welcome to the forum, really looking forward to hearing you expertise on component repair.

Airyck wrote:Thanks!

No problem!

Airyck wrote:I worked as service repair technician doing authorized repair for Roland, Yamaha, Korg, Akai etc for quite a while so I'm not frightened in any way by the challenge. I've already figured out what parts are available. I'll probably repaint the base myself. The only thing I worry about is the condition of the front cover but I guess I can always cover it with a skin or customize it some how.

Dope!

Airyck wrote:I'm new to the MPC world in general with the Renaissance being my first.

That's a damn shame.

Airyck wrote:Also I mostly use hardware for everything anyway so I might as well go 100% hardware

Hardware >

Airyck wrote:and this really seems like it might be the best hardware sequencer/sampler in existence in the known universe anyway.

Period.

Airyck wrote:I'm going to end up with one either way (restoration or good condition) and I'm very excited about it (within the next week hopefully).

I'll start sharing my synth making techniques and samples/patches as soon as I'm up and running.

Good luck!

Airyck wrote:I've thought about getting a good condition one but like I said I want to put in as many new parts as I can anyway so I might as well get myself a beat up one for half the price.

That's a false economy. In the case of the 4K, definitely go for one in the best condition you can find, within budget obviously.

I bought a broken one that was cosmetically mint for dirt cheap and then had it fixed up. The overall cost was pretty reasonable, but at one point it was looking like it was unrepairable due to certain cards being impossible to get hold of. Also, if you end up with a hammered unit with a dodgy jog wheel you're not getting a new one anytime soon, if ever.

Over here you just have to snap up what becomes available because they are quite rare. I don't know what the situation is like where you are?

Either way, the 4K is the King of the keygroup MPCs... by a mile.

Coz wrote:

Airyck wrote:, the 4K is the King of the keygroup MPCs... by a mile.

Just hearing the word keygroup gets me excited for some reason (not the software lol)

By the way, Airyck is the second person in as many days on this board to state that they were dropping the Ren, at least for now, for the 4000. Too early to call it the MPC 4000 Renaissance or nah?

I don't want to derail this topic anymore than I already have, but.....

I may wait it out until I can find a good one, then just keep the spare parts around to fix it up as needed. If I learned anything from buying the REN it's that patience and waiting until you know you have something good is probably a smart idea (though I'm dead set on getting a 4000).

I'm going to keep the Ren though and hope that it grows into something amazing.

It might be a bit but either way I'll be on with the MPC 4000 at some point (hopefully sooner than later).

I'll be in this forum and help as much as I can with with technical issues and exploration until I have mine. I have been pretty successful finding replacement chips for ones that don't exist anymore. One example was Roland D-50 key problem that many people were experiencing where it would only play on the release of the key rather than the down. I determined it was an sram problem and I sourced a replacement chip that didn't exist anymore and it fixed the problem. The shop called back all the people they sent away to get their D-50's fixed. I'm pretty proud of that one since nobody anywhere had figured it out (at least it wasn't documented anywhere).

Suffice to say once I have my 4000 I plan to keep it for life, so I'll do what I have to in order to keep it up and running (and of course share that info here).

Long live the 4000! :cheers:

Airyck wrote:
I'll start sharing my synth making techniques and samples/patches as soon as I'm up and running.

hi, i´m much interested to hear about samplelenghts in regard to pitch when doing the "synth in the sampler" thing.

I have had great synthsounds with my 1k, but never cared exactly for pitch.
it´s time to setup some cool waveforms, sampled in different pitch.
The good sounds were btw. not exactly singlecycles, more "several sycle" waves.
are there tables to what lenght a sample has to be for a certain pitch ?

...some old links here in the thread weren´t working anymore btw.

I've learned so much from everyone on this forum.. Thanks!