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By LesPasta Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:46 pm
on paper there doesn't look like much difference besides the size of the pads and obvious differences in surface control.

I'm getting mixed info online about the 1000's pads as well as it's chopping function..

are they all that different than the 2500 ?
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By Metatron72 Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:44 am
The addition of JJOS2XL on a 1000 and JJOSXL on a 2500 do make the machines near identical on a feature level.

1000 , less Q-links, no numerical pad, pads need modding or fat replacements to be as responsive as the 2500, JJ XL offers excellent pad sensitivity settings menus on both, but the 1000 pads are a design thing, there's a gap between the underside of the pad sheet and the sensors, once dealt with the 1000 responds great pad wise.

With the stock Akai OS's there are more differences as the 1000 was intended to be the lower model.

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/chart.htm

The comparison chart is there, you can pretty much expect the 2500 JJOSXL to match the 1000's OS2XL column.

There's tons of threads on this already here, run a search and you should find all could ever want to know about the two units and the OS's to figure out what might be best for your budget/ needs.
By LesPasta Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:13 am
thanks Metatron,

I ran a few searches, can't get all the info I'm looking for on the 1000:

when buying online, How do you know if the model has the stiffer, less sensitive pads ?

how do heads get by without the number pad ?

I have heard that mono sounds can not be assigned to a single output, is that true ? sounds bizarre
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:55 am
LesPasta wrote:thanks Metatron,

I ran a few searches, can't get all the info I'm looking for on the 1000:

when buying online, How do you know if the model has the stiffer, less sensitive pads ?

how do heads get by without the number pad ?

I have heard that mono sounds can not be assigned to a single output, is that true ? sounds bizarre


There is a serial number you need to look for (anything newer is good) - it's there in the MPC1000 forum somewhere,. Otherwise, ask the seller to wiggle one of the pads - the adjacent pads will also wiggle if it's the new (good) design.

I very rarely use the number pad, if ever actually.

I've not run Akai OS For a while, but even the free JJOS allows single output assignment. Otherwise you simply assign the mono sound to a stereo out and hard pan left or right.
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By Metatron72 Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:03 pm
LesPasta wrote:thanks Metatron,

I ran a few searches, can't get all the info I'm looking for on the 1000:

when buying online, How do you know if the model has the stiffer, less sensitive pads ?

how do heads get by without the number pad ?


Yeah there's so many threads and many are long. Just sometimes when a comparison new thread comes up a mod will lock it, although if they do they will have the courtesy to link an older thread that has what was asked.

For online sales you'd want to see it spelled out "upgraded pads or padfix installed"
Or question the seller directly. Chances are if it's a blue and not specified they aren't installed, especially the $350-$400~ units.

If it's Akai OS you're hearing misgivings about the chopping I can't really call it, like many I haven't even seen the Akai OS in years and use JJOS2XL. The chopping on that is excellent, although I use Recycle on computer mostly.

If a 1000 has the newer pad style it's still not that great, but you do avoid the mechanical failure issues of the first version. The 1000 uniform rubber sheet pads have a gap between the sensor and the pad underside. Nym from this forum came up with the idea to apply silicone in amounts that close the gap, and then it works fine. Like $5 tubes from Home Depot he had used.

Alternative to that is the MPCStuff.com Fat Pads but those are around $40USD. They work fantastically though, and the improvement is drastic. Now my 1000 responds as well and is easier to play at different velocities as any other MPC. I can use the lightest index finger taps and corner triggering is much improved too.

So once you have all that pad stuff sorted out the only difference is really they are rectangles rather then squares and are in a smaller overall area.

Lack of a number pad isn't so bad. On a 2500 is is cool to enter values and stuff, but on the 1000 the pads themselves can be toggled to enter numbers and letters and also switch to screens and modes that have no dedicated button. Even the 2500 with more buttons uses the toggle method for a lot stuff. It's fairly intuitive and labelled pretty clearly so I'm not bothered by the lack of a number or the use of Mode button+pad to navigate.

If you see a black unit and don't know if the pads are updated the serial has an "N" added, for "New Pads". But not always. Mine had never been opened judging from the screws,. had the new pads but the "N" is nowhere on machine. Seems like it was only a few blacks that either got upgraded or were sold with the upgraded ones yet not labelled.
By LesPasta Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:52 pm
I really appreciate the help. I do know this issue has been talked-to-death over the past 5+ years and yes, that is why the search is very tough..

I don't think I would use the #pad myself, but wasn't sure about all of its functions... I've never owned an MPC but I have made a number of beats (many years ago) with a 2000xl... I rock with Roland SP-404, Boss SP-202, SP-505 and Propellerheads Reason. Making straight ahead boom-bap and some experimental music, concrete etc

thanks again... when i get my MPC I will be back with more questions, comments and ideas.. Peace


https://soundcloud.com/johnc-1
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By Metatron72 Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:15 pm
You'll probably love it then. :-D

And my pleasure man, I'm sitting here with both machines in the room so it's no trouble.
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By Coz Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:15 pm
LesPasta wrote:I don't think I would use the #pad myself, but wasn't sure about all of its functions...



You can customise the numeric keys in JJOS (I forget which versions allow it) to jump between different modes with a single button press rather than Mode+whatever pad.

It was one of my favourite functions when I used the 2500. 8)
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By TYPO Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:35 pm
^OS2XL and I hope it makes a comeback in OS3
By Roots Renegade Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:40 pm
TYPO wrote:^OS2XL and I hope it makes a comeback in OS3


OS2XL is for the MPC1000 and there are no numeric keys on the 1000.

OS-XL is for the MPC2500.
By Roots Renegade Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:07 pm
I was talking about the numeric keys like on the 2500 (which are not on the 1000).

Still,

OS2XL is for the MPC1000.

OS-XL is for the MPC2500.

But wait...

Wasn't he talking about the numeric keys on the 2500 ?

Coz wrote:You can customise the numeric keys in JJOS (I forget which versions allow it) to jump between different modes with a single button press rather than Mode+whatever pad.

It was one of my favourite functions when I used the 2500. 8)


Also, isn't that "numeric" button on the 1000 only to enter numbers using the pads ?
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By Coz Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:50 pm
RootsRenegade wrote:Wasn't he talking about the numeric keys on the 2500 ?



Yes he was. :nod:

10 customisable buttons (which were wayyy too easy to accidentally 'reprogram'), but it was a cool feature nevertheless for 2500 users.