Stripping Vocals... and a couple of other ?'s for the pros

HI my setup is
My Mpc 2000xl
Emu Xk-7 <----synth
2 Numark TT1625 with a Numark DM950 mixer
PC Cool Edit pro 2.0, Logic 5 Plat, Cakewalk, Acid 4.0

I will be sampling from vinyl through the mixer I am aware how to sample ... However I'm not aware of how to strip the instrumental itself and sample certain words rappers say...

This is a technique thats been used on hip hop since i can remember... A lot of old Gangstarr songs do this for example...

How do they piece different artists saying things together with out the instrumentals picking up? Also how can I strip vocals off of an instrumental this has to be possible....

Also I want to use all of these machines in conjunction is there a way to trigger my synth from the mpc? I am sure I don't have to sample every individual key that i'd need right? Also all I have is a floppy obviously it can't save whatever I sample so if i have a sequence with all of this i'd run out of memory quickly right? Thanks for your time!

Basically, you cant isolate sounds from a song - the technology isn't there yet. You can try cutting out frequencies with EQ but vocals cover a very wide frequency range, so in order to cut out a vocal you would also have to destroy most of the song with it. I think www.analogx.com has software htat uses another method to remove vocals (something to do with phase shifting), but again, it doesn't work too well. Without having the original multitrack recording, you will have to rely on getting instrumental versions or acapellas.

As for hooking up your synth, this is all covered in the MIDI tutorial on this site.

you may also try to look for certain accapella parts in hiphoptracks like for example the overused old school tracks of Eric B & Rakim ( pump up the volume) or search for certain parts in tracks where you only get to hear the emcee say a line over a beat but without chords/ instruments or whatever. Hope you know what i mean.

yes you can take VOCALS only but this only pertains to tracks where they have tracked vocals seperately from instrumentals
A classic example of this is the BEATLES - Magical Mystery Tour LP
If you sample
individually the LEFT or RIGHT inputs from the back of your MPC you will find that you are getting either VOCALS only or INSTRUMENTALS only
this rarely works on todays hip-hop records however
But try this to isolate parts in songs
works

Thanks tutor i'm reading the tutorial on how to connect a keyboard with sounds...

I want to trigger the sounds on my mpc pads, I have the midi's hooked up correctly I did the thing that you said with the channels on the mpc screen....

The problem is like you said midi is only directions, Well I have a mixer what kind of cables do i need? I am not getting how to hook this up properly. Basically I have 1 cable for samples which is in my out put left and right on my mixer... I am guessing i will need a second one of those flip the corresponding mixer channel to line instead of phono and plug that into the keyboard?

I feel like an idiot I moved around a lot and my mpc manual isn't in my box so forgive my ignorance... I hope it turns up...

there is a technique you can use to utilise phase cancellation to isolate or remove vocals, but thats a little out of your range right now id say, if youre just getting to grips with the basics


what you want to do is get to the roots of hiphop.... go out and buy lots of records! crate dig like a mofo. b-sides of 12"s are your best friend for acapellas and instrumentals


peace

actually cool edit has an option to do this, its in effects-amplitude-channel mixing.
what you can do to pull out vocals is basically flip one channel and mix them and it eliminated everything that is panned center. I use it for getting rid of annoying drums over a cool instumental.

another way to get it tight is to seperate the track out and do some multiband eq and compression b4 you go to pull the vocals. this is done in the multitrack screen. so basically you can tweek the bass and mids, then flip it and isolate the track.

i do it ghetto style

I check tje lp a couple of time when playing the sample that i want..eq it (bass low, more mid+high etc) till it sounds right for me and then I play it again and sample it!!

this way you do'nt get that transparant clear sound but the extra i get with it is the dope thing!! give your track that special sound!

same here. Either I use basic eqing or I just find an acapella. No software, just MPC, turntable & mixer.

D_Samp wrote:what you want to do is get to the roots of hiphop.... go out and buy lots of records! crate dig like a mofo. b-sides of 12"s are your best friend for acapellas and instrumentals
peace

You can also search the internet for just the vocals of the particular song you like, go on Kazaa and search my bwoy. After that go into your Cool Edit, Sound forge, or Peak [what i use cause i got a mac], ----> then start cutting/choppin' and all...hope this helps...peace

Dr.Foo wrote:actually cool edit has an option to do this, its in effects-amplitude-channel mixing.
what you can do to pull out vocals is basically flip one channel and mix them and it eliminated everything that is panned center. I use it for getting rid of annoying drums over a cool instumental.

another way to get it tight is to seperate the track out and do some multiband eq and compression b4 you go to pull the vocals. this is done in the multitrack screen. so basically you can tweek the bass and mids, then flip it and isolate the track.

what setting in channel mixing do u use?