How do you sample tracks that already have drums behind them

I hope this isn't a stupid question.

I'm sorta stuck on the idea that some parts of the tracks I want to sample from have drums in the background already.

So I usually try to find parts with mellow rhythm sections or nothing at all in the background.

Say I want to sample some chords or vocals or something that's inside of a song, how would I go about doing it?

Or more clearly, how do you sample from songs and get them to work in the track if they have percussion elements to them?

Make it fit.
There are Several ways of doing this. Just consider: how you chop, filter, use adsr, etc. Etc. ..

I don't care if there's already drums in the sample. I just put my drums on top. As long as they're on beat, I'm good.

tracks with drums in them are the best.....lets you sort of play two drum kits. You have to think ahead while chopping of how you want to play the drums in the sample: musically will this chop work with the instruments and rhythmically will this chop work with the drums?

I'll also find drums of my own that compliment the ones in the original sample and make it sound like it's just one drum kit doing it all.

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-niN wrote:Make it fit.
There are Several ways of doing this. Just consider: how you chop, filter, use adsr, etc. Etc. ..

Chop- by beat division, unless it's a musical element that'll be played
Filter- move around hi, lo, mids to accent the musical parts over the drums
adsr- play around to throw out drum transients at the beginning or end?

There are bass samples I wanted to take from Jah No Partial by Major Lazer that I want to use for musical effect, but it's got drums in the samples that are making it impossible to make fit with music.

sirparksalot wrote:tracks with drums in them are the best.....lets you sort of play two drum kits. You have to think ahead while chopping of how you want to play the drums in the sample: musically will this chop work with the instruments and rhythmically will this chop work with the drums?

I'll also find drums of my own that compliment the ones in the original sample and make it sound like it's just one drum kit doing it all.

I guess.. there are times where I say to myself, "I wish I could isolate this sound, so if there's a part where I drop the drums I could have only the sound play."

Do you try to layer the same exact rhythm part or do you make up a different rhythm part that's doing something different from the original drums?

DeadSoul wrote:Do you try to layer the same exact rhythm part or do you make up a different rhythm part that's doing something different from the original drums?

I just try to do what sounds good. It depends on the sample. Sometimes you can get nasty with the drums, but if the sample won't allow it musically then there are other things that I will do. If you chop 1/4 notes or whatever....play with pitch. You can make those drums sound crazy by slowing them down, but your main hits are still gonna be in time (your 1/4 notes). Just play around with it. The only way you'll learn how to manipulate drums already in samples is to just chop it up and experiment with what works and what doesn't.

I get what you re on about, with wanting to isolate sounds. I used to be like that. What helps is, to think in terms of the Sound as a whole, instead of listening to each instrument. You may Need to retrain your ears.
Sorry, this does Not answer your question. It is Not possible to isolate an Instrument from a recording like that. But it may solve the problem.

-niN wrote:I get what you re on about, with wanting to isolate sounds. I used to be like that. What helps is, to think in terms of the Sound as a whole, instead of listening to each instrument. You may Need to retrain your ears.
Sorry, this does Not answer your question. In most cases it is Not possible to completly isolate an Instrument from a recording like that. But it may solve the problem.

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Yes don't ever underestimate the frequency-masking when putting two or more samples together. The samples doesn't have to be completly isolated.
And (depending on the sample) don't be afraid to extremly EQ the signal.
Listen to the horns. these are filtered with a hipass with a high cutoff-frequence



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yeah, true. I could've been more presice. Chop smart, use Filters wisley( eQ also)... You get the picture

I have gotten into using the Fade In option on loud drum hits, to just eliminate the snare Pop or bass drum Kick, removing the attack of each note. (JJOS Trim/Edit screen)

Used to do this in Cool Edit Pro with the 'Pop/Click Remover' (this gives better results)

Can take a song with a steady rock beat and nearly remove all the drum hits this way, leaving me with mostly music & vocals.

Works for me!

i remember when i was just starting to make beats i made a post about this too.

all you can really do is chop musically (ie in quarter notes or whatever, like someone said) so you have your kick on a pad, and your snare on another pad, then you just play your chops so the drums still sound good with it, then layer other drums under it.

this is usually what i run into anyway, but i suppose it is pretty situational depending on the sample. i used to seek out samples with no drums too, but some of them are too dope even if they have drums, you just have to see if you can work with them.

also, like the guy above me said, if you have some super loud drums in the sample, try experimenting with taking the attack off the front of some of the chops, if it doesnt effect your sample too much, it might work better for layering your own drums under it after you arrange your chops.

I hate it when there's a clave-type or rim shot in the sample, I always struggle to eliminate completely (when needing the hi's of a sample).

But yeah just like Damien and the OP, I asked this as a beginner and am now (3 years later) able to chop and utilise or 'mask' the existing drums. Just practice dude.

I'll also find drums of my own that compliment the ones in the original sample and make it sound like it's just one drum kit doing it all.
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