mpc3000 or mpc4000?

hi,

i´ve been working with protools for 7years now and i always
created my beats within PT.
a couple of weeks ago i got a chance to try out the mpc2000
and it felt like it was a nice and a different (to me) way of making
beats and it felt like the sequencer was, i dont know, better or groovier
than PT.
anyway, i´m bying some new gear and i´m going to buy a mpc
as well.
wich one do you mpc-users recomend?
3000 or 4000? another one?
I´m mainly in to house and hiphop.

i use:
digi 002 rack
G5 OSx

thanks

after owning or using 'all' the incarnations of the mpc line at various times, i can say it only comes down to two mpc's:

>mpc60(or 60II) combined with a rack mount...like s s5000/s6000 or z4/z8. with this set-up you get the classic mpc 12bit sound and an amazing sequencer. you flex your samples through you prefered rackmount.

>mpc4000...incredible sequencing power, akai z series sample built-in, incredible routing/midi capabilities and direct computer connection through akai.sys.

NOW, this isn't to say the mpc2000, mpc3000, or mpc1000 aren't dope machines or aren't capable but the options i just mentioned express 'my' needs and desire's out the mpc line.

i started on a mpc2000 and worked on it exclusively for 2 years. i've since moved around within the mpc series and absolutely love the mpc4000. but the 60 + rackmount sample option, is tasty combo. my friend has been on his 3000 for 4 years now...he loves it, which is cool. i point this out because no matter which mpc i've owned, i still make tracks and they all are great in what they are capable of. he'll i even liked the little mpc1000.

anyways, good luck in your quest. i would post this question not only in the mpc3000/60 forum but also the 4000 forum to here different view points. the 'which mpc' debate is about as lively as the 'mac's vs. pc's' debate.

(mac's of course)

peace

actuel

edit>>>btw, i produce hip-hop

3K.

thanks for the replies.
there was this guy how told me that the "feeling" of the sequencer differs from the 3000 to the 4000 and his opinion was that the 3000 was a bit groovier, any coments about that?

stefan

true.

well i'm not interested in getting into a flame debate over the 3k and 4k, but in my experience, there has been no loss of 'grooviness' in using the 4k. the 3k and 60 share the same sequencer. my 4k has 'loads' of groove and actually has a higher rate of resolution and accuracy then the 3k or my old 60. again, the 3k, 60, and 2k(xl) are time tested and all have the mpc groove. this is also no different in the 4k.

the only mpc that i can say lacked 'groove' was the 1k. some say it's there but after 8 months....let's just say it didn't do it for me.

good luck

ryan

DOVESKI wrote:true.

hey DOVESKI...have you ever used the 4k? (like, make a track with it...)

my potna in LA got one, i stayed out his house for a week fukin with it, i also brought my 3K, i liked it, but it doesnt swing like the 3K, thats just the truth, doesnt handle the swing setting, shift, the same. but on 1/16 triplets you can def get a nice swing on the 4K.

but we also gotta keep in mind, using the 4K automatically gives you a modern sound, and the so called groove of the 3K and 60 is played out to a lot of people, mcs, and producers in the industry.

comparing the 4K and 3K is like comparing apples and oranges. if it was up to me I'd hold both.

DOVESKI wrote:but we also gotta keep in mind, using the 4K automatically gives you a modern sound,.

Of course it's just opinions, but I just don't agree with you. What you wrote isn't true. It's not as if anything you put into the 4k automatically sounds 'modern'.

I have both an MPC60Mk1 and the 4000. I can make the 4000 sound really really dirty, and on the contrary I can make just about anything apart from cymbals sound crystal clear on the 60. Filters, resampling (12 bit available on the mpc4000) eq, effects pre and post sampling changes quite a lot.

95 percent is how you work with the gear. This isn't a synth, it is after all a sampler. For sure the gear colors the sound, but there's just an infinite amount of variables which decice what the final sound ends up like.

To answer the original question, I'd dare say none of the MPC's will dissapoint you. I'd like to try out the 3k out as well, I'm sure it's a great machine. However I'm also very happy with what I have now, will never sell any of them.

pUs wrote:Of course it's just opinions, but I just don't agree with you. What you wrote isn't true. It's not as if anything you put into the 4k automatically sounds 'modern'.

I was mainly talking about the filters and what not, didnt mean to ruffle your feathers.

DOVESKI wrote:
but we also gotta keep in mind, using the 4K automatically gives you a modern sound, and the so called groove of the 3K and 60 is played out to a lot of people, mcs, and producers in the industry.

Where I do here this from?? It Seems to me More Professional Producer Like the MPC 3000 over the 4k (even though it growing a lot in popularity)
What Emcees and Beatmakers are you talking about??

"I was mainly talking about the filters and what not"
"modern sound"

I am confused. You can turn off the 'filters and what not' in the MPC4000, so does that mean the sound is not modern then?

mpc3000 wrote:"I was mainly talking about the filters and what not"
"modern sound"

I am confused. You can turn off the 'filters and what not' in the MPC4000, so does that mean the sound is not modern then?

Enough wih the condenscending attitude mikey. Im just making an observation I could give a fuc what anyone uses. I know your always right so I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on.