FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

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FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By DonnyDank Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:08 pm
Hello,

I ran into my first (small) disappointment today when recording tracks off the 4K into a Roland VS880. I had some FX on 2 programs. When I want to assign an output to the program and try to record this into the 880, i have no sound. When i turn the fx send off however, i get my sound (except without the akai fx).

So, the workaround would be to keep those programs on the main outs instead of one of the individual outputs? Or am i skipping/forgetting something obvious?

Thanks for the reply!
peace
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Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By Lampdog Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:23 am
I don't have and have never used the analog 8 out board on 4k.
I use adat (8 digital outs) on mine. I am able to push 4k effects (yes, I have the effects board installed) through any of those adat channels. The analog 8 outs don't work that way?

Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By DonnyDank Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:54 am
Okay, I'm still thinking about upgrading the 4K with the IB-4ADT except.... The thing will cost me more than $300.
But having the option to use and send FX through the digital domain would be very useful. Thanks 4 the info on this, appreciated!

peace
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Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By Lampdog Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:35 pm
I have been using the optical adat board for years (my whole lab is optical, audio, no analog audio except my emu turbo phatt) but still when I read the thread I went right to it and tried it out again to make sure I wasn't crazy, still crazy, but it works. Still I have no advice to give on the 4k analog 8 out.

If you have the 8 out board I'd check again and make sure to touch on every setting that the fx could possibly touch before coming to a final conclusion.

I placed different drum samples on pads 1, 2, 3 and 4.

Turned up the effects send all the way on each in the PAD mixer not the PART mixer side.

I set the pads to match the sends, a01= fxa, a02 = fxb, etc.

I matched pads with output channel, a01= adat1, a02 =adat2, etc.

I assigned different effects to fx a, b, c and d.

I heard all the different drums sounds play through the monitors with the correct assigned effect.

I will go back and see what happens with PARTS mixer when used with 4 PARTS as well. I used 1 PART for my above result.

Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By ntalec Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:08 pm
The effects work with the 8 analog outs, you just route the effect to the individual out instead of the L/R outputs.
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Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By Lampdog Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:39 pm
I went into PARTS mixer.

Seq1, trk1 is PART1, all drums
Seq1, trk2 is PART2, 4 samples that count 1234

PART1 send to A (reverb), OUT adat 1
PART2 send to B (delay), OUT adat 2

Didn't touch PAD mixer at all

I can clearly hear the different effects on both channels.

It works via adat.

As ntalec said, it may be a routing problem.

As different multi's/part's are opened/viewed in several different screens
effects disappear and reappear, irritating sometimes but you learn and get
through it.

Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By ntalec Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:03 pm
One of the few true areas that the 4k gets you on is the whole effect/mixer/routing aspect.
They tried to make it flexible but it also made it odd.

I can go to the effects section on the other MPs (2kxl included) and use a modulation effect fed into a reverb tweak tweak tweak and get what I am after.

Not so simple on the 4k.
Also I like to run effects so they are the equivalent of pre-fader which is easily done on the other MPs.

Still not a reason to dislike the 4k just wish I could change it to have the choice of using a simple routing mode or flexible routing mode.
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Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By Lampdog Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:28 pm
ntalec wrote:I can go to the effects section on the other MPs (2kxl included) and use a modulation effect fed into a reverb tweak tweak tweak and get what I am after.


Exactly, no matter how many screens on my 2kxl the effects wouldn't drop out and in like the 4k. It's not a bug, it's routing, deep routing with immediate effects result on screens, lol, that's the best way I can describe it. I still wouldn't trade my 4k off for anything.

Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By MaZe Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:49 pm
You can route the effects in the 4K to the analog outs. It's in the Fx buss section on the right.

Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By ntalec Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:02 pm
Lampdog wrote:
ntalec wrote:I can go to the effects section on the other MPs (2kxl included) and use a modulation effect fed into a reverb tweak tweak tweak and get what I am after.


Exactly, no matter how many screens on my 2kxl the effects wouldn't drop out and in like the 4k. It's not a bug, it's routing, deep routing with immediate effects result on screens, lol, that's the best way I can describe it. I still wouldn't trade my 4k off for anything.

It's definitely annoying until you get a feel for the safer ways to jump around the screens.

One strange thing I run into from time to time is stuff from the older MPCs sounding metallic when I load them in the 4k and add effects.
For the most part I find it easier to just use the older MPC that the song was made on than load it in the 4k and make the corrections.

Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By DonnyDank Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:21 pm
True indeed, It turns out to be in the right side of the effects buss where you can choose to which output you want to assign the effect. TBH, I feel just a little stupid for overlooking this :oops:

The most strange part was that i felt like the 4K gave me a first no, but it really was saying: Think logical about what you try to accomplish and experiment.




Thanks for all the input people, it's the reason why i LOVE this forum and its users!
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Re: FX send >> 8 outputs doesn't work?

By Lampdog Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:33 pm
dryad-66 wrote:The 4k just keeps on delivering when other boxes are struggling to provide the basics lol.

4k forum quotable right there. :-D
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