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By locotesmjr Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:34 pm
I am looking for a good condition, 100% working unit...
I was checking online and apparently the good ones are the Telex ACC-4000 and the Telex XGen, both are Stereo because other models are Mono and I am not interested in Mono...
If you have one, or know who wants to sell his unit please let me know.
Thanks
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By konc3pt Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:28 am
you check craigslist ? people give these things away for free, I did
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By tapedeck Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:41 pm
a mono one? i've never heard of that.
the ones i've seen copy all 4 tracks at once - pretty amazing actually.
the concept of 'tracks'/mono/stereo is actually irrelevant when the machine is just copying magnetic data.

just double check so you know what yer getting :mrgreen:
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By locotesmjr Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:18 am
konc3pt wrote:you check craigslist ? people give these things away for free, I did


Yes, I did checked, no luck, still looking for one tho...

tapedeck wrote:a mono one? i've never heard of that.
the ones i've seen copy all 4 tracks at once - pretty amazing actually.
the concept of 'tracks'/mono/stereo is actually irrelevant when the machine is just copying magnetic data.

just double check so you know what yer getting :mrgreen:


According for what I researched online the mono units were used more to duplicate sermons (I have seen most of this units were sold to churches) the stereo units are made to duplicate music, I want one of this because I actually want to make some beat tapes on cassettes
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By crossings Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:03 am
there is such thing as mono tape recorders... and they aren't the same thing... it only records one channel onto both speakers [as you'd imagine]... i used to have an old sony mono recording walkman that i'd use for bootlegs... damn, i'm getting old... :lol:
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By locotesmjr Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:20 pm
Thanks to all for their answers and help, I already found one in pristine condition (almost new) and I bought it of course!, it was the ACC-4000, anyways I will keep my eyes open for the Telex XGen, I would also like to try that one and compare performance and sound quality, according to the specs the XGen is the high end duplicator so should be better quality... I need to test it and see it by myself :wink:
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By locotesmjr Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:24 pm
crossings wrote:there is such thing as mono tape recorders... and they aren't the same thing... it only records one channel onto both speakers [as you'd imagine]... i used to have an old sony mono recording walkman that i'd use for bootlegs... damn, i'm getting old... :lol:



and you are correct there is a thing as mono tape recorders and do exactly what you described in here... so for music purpose mono it is not the recommended one, unless you don't care about panning and you are on a budget... the stereo unit will copy 2 different channels (L and R) and you can play with panning and all that as most of us I think we do.
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By tapedeck Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:26 pm
but again the concept of mono/stereo/tracks on the ones i've seen is irrelevant - it just copies the entire tape.
doesn't matter what it was recorded as.
and we are talking duplicators, not recorders.

copying the magnetic signals it shouldn't matter how they are broken up as 'tracks'. so im still curious what is the point / an example of a 'mono' duplicator.

the ones ive used copy the entire tape, so if it was a mono tape, youd get mono tapes out. if it was a stereo tape, it copies both sides in stereo at once (4 tracks total at once) - again though its all irrelevant as it is just copying the magnetic information.
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By locotesmjr Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:53 am
tapedeck wrote:but again the concept of mono/stereo/tracks on the ones i've seen is irrelevant - it just copies the entire tape.
doesn't matter what it was recorded as.
and we are talking duplicators, not recorders.

copying the magnetic signals it shouldn't matter how they are broken up as 'tracks'. so im still curious what is the point / an example of a 'mono' duplicator.

the ones ive used copy the entire tape, so if it was a mono tape, youd get mono tapes out. if it was a stereo tape, it copies both sides in stereo at once (4 tracks total at once) - again though its all irrelevant as it is just copying the magnetic information.



Good point and I would like to investigate more about what you saying, but then why Telex or any other cassette duplicator manufacturer were selling MONO or Stereo cassette duplicators? maybe it is not that simple as you explain in here, again... I understand your point and maybe you are right but if there are stereo duplicators maybe it is because what you are saying do not apply to this...
I am going to investigate and I will let you know if I find something
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By tapedeck Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:02 pm
yea im basically just curious - i was impressed with the duplicator when i realised it copied both sides of the tape (4 tracks) at the same time. so its not like you do side a then side b on a regular recorder, you just copy the whole tape in one go.
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By locotesmjr Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:59 am
tapedeck wrote:yea im basically just curious - i was impressed with the duplicator when i realised it copied both sides of the tape (4 tracks) at the same time. so its not like you do side a then side b on a regular recorder, you just copy the whole tape in one go.



Yes, that's really cool about them... a C-60 can be copied in 2 min and rewind it in just 30 seconds!
I was doing a looooong research about what you asked me, and it impressed me a lot that there is almost no info for this, I mean the info you were requesting it is a "basic" info that should be covered a lot of times... well that's what I thought, but I found some info here and there and I put it together in my interpretation...
This is how a cassette tape save the info in stereo in a common cassette deck
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The yellow lines are the recordings and the brown it is the untouched tape (the stereo heads do not read or record over those brown parts)
so a mono cassette recorder use a 1/2 track, 2-channel heads which basically take both stereo A or B channels in one single time and record it in a new cassette... BUT the 1/2 head will also include the "noise" or hiss between the 2 A or B channels (L & R), so your new cassettes will still being stereo even when copied on a mono device but will be "colored" with all that hiss as well so will not be the exact same copy of your original stereo master.
I assume in the case you take a MONO cassette and you try to duplicate it in a stereo duplicator what could happens is the stereo duplicator will take the A track but will miss some of the real sound because the head it use it is a 1/4 track, 4-channel head so according to the 1st pic you will be missing the sound recorded in the brown area, since the mono heads are 1/2 wide, IDK If I am explaining my self really well but I think you get the idea...
I have in here a pic of how this heads are config and how much area of the tape they use
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hopefully this image help to explain me better...
Again, this is something that I assume according to my research and the vague info out there but I am pretty sure it has a lot of logic what I am saying and the graphics can show better how this works, thoughts?

Now, again it comes to my mind if the manufactures were selling MONO or STEREO duplicators were basically based on how expensive were those heads in the past, so MONO heads of course are cheaper and then they released a cheaper duplicator to with MONO heads to fill the needs of people with basic needs, like duplicating sermons, audio books, etc, stuff where you don't really need the stereo... then they have the STEREO ones for those who wants to duplicate music and stuff... of course this are more expensive because use expensive heads, if you check online you will find the MONO duplicators sells for half of the price of the stereo if you ever come across one...
So if you are interested in one according to my research the good ones are the Telex ACC-4000 and the Telex X-Gen stereo, all other models are not high end duplicators so you can find it for cheap and also most of them are mono, I just bought a ACC-4000 and I am looking for the X-Gen, I would like to have both and test them side to side, the XGen it is a newer model so should be better and for what I read it is less noisy too, besides the look, the X-gen looks better to my eyes too... but hey! I got this ACC-4000 for $150 shipped and it is in pristine condition, LIKE NEW! so I can't complain... this were selling for $2499 retail
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By tapedeck Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:41 pm
awesome research - you know i guess i was just thinking it worked on different technology than the regular recording / playback heads.

all makes sense now. i love how liquid magnetic tape is. :mrgreen:
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By locotesmjr Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:09 pm
tapedeck wrote:awesome research - you know i guess i was just thinking it worked on different technology than the regular recording / playback heads.

all makes sense now. i love how liquid magnetic tape is. :mrgreen:



No, thanks for your question, honestly I am glad you asked because know I feel like I really know what I am getting and also now I know exactly what's the difference between the 2, I just received my ACC-4000 in the mail today and as pictured the heads are 4, I saw a pic of a MONO ACC-2000 heads on ebay and the heads are just as the 2channel 2 track I showed you... so I was right on that assumption!

now to buy some blanks and start making copies!!!