MPC Ren Price Drop - $799

moyphee wrote:The Ren is loosing value by the day. Akai better get ahead of this landslide. By Christmas the Ren wil selling at sub 400. Akai is purging and users are dumping. I've never seen an exodus quite like this before.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/AKAI-MPC-RENAIS ... NA:US:3160

It's f****** depressing. I bought my Ren new less then 100 days ago for $1099, plus tax, plus paid for the 3 year warranty as an investment. Now I probably could have just gotten Two Ren's for the same price.

This is why I really hate the software game. I have to tip my hat for NI for actually being one of the few companies that doesn't completely gouge it's customers. In December 2009 I bought Maschine. Many updates later and it still works fine, and it's taken 4 years before they asked for a paid update. In early 2010 I bought the VS-700 console and breakout box with Cakewalk 8.5. In the less time I have owned it, I have paid $350 in paid updates and watched the software leave integration with the hardware behind. S*** like this is frustrating.

It's software based how can you assign any real value to anything software based?
One day people will realize 2 important things in life.
Software is and will always be a bad investment long term.
If you are using anything software based and it's not generating revenue you are at a lost the moment you purchase.
It depreciates like a crazy and is guaranteed obsolescence.

The second thing is that if you keep asking for change and improvements in a software product it will bite you in the @ss eventually if they deliver those request.
Either financially or in compatibility.

I would also say if you spend $1K on something like the Ren then you should be using it to make money.
Doesn't matter if you are a DJ making elements to use when you play or trying to be a producer, artist etc.

If not there are just far too many cheaper solutions.

As for the eBay prices of a used Ren why would they be around the $550 mark if you can get them new for $800?

All MPCs are suffering in the used market and this is nothing new.
The 3k was down to average prices of $500 for clean units a year ago.
The 60 was down to $300 for clean units.
The 1k, 2500, 2k they all go through it.
Last year I purchased a SP12 turbo for $225 on eBay, then saw another one sell for $200 and $250 within the same month.
At the same time got a MV8800 for $375, 2-S900's, on was $35 the other was $45 both v1.2.

It's used gear and it's based on what people are willing to pay, it follows popularity of a product in most cases.

ntalec wrote:It's software based how can you assign any real value to anything software based?
One day people will realize 2 important things in life.
Software is and will always be a bad investment long term.
If you are using anything software based and it's not generating revenue you are at a lost the moment you purchase.
It depreciates like a crazy and is guaranteed obsolescence.

The second thing is that if you keep asking for change and improvements in a software product it will bite you in the @ss eventually if they deliver those request.
Either financially or in compatibility.

I would also say if you spend $1K on something like the Ren then you should be using it to make money.
Doesn't matter if you are a DJ making elements to use when you play or trying to be a producer, artist etc.

If not there are just far too many cheaper solutions.

The 1k, 2500, 2k they all go through it.
Last year I purchased a SP12 turbo for $225 on eBay, then saw another one sell for $200 and $250 within the same month.

While I agree in principle, I also think there is way more gray area on a subjective personnel basis.

Most of my software - hardware combos depreciated at a much slower rate. Used prices on my VS-700 one year after release was close to new prices. It's one thing for something to lose value over a couple of years or many years as most of the items you listed, something else for it to lose so much value after just one year. Had a different interface came about that I wanted a year after buying my VS-700, I could have sold it at a much lower loss.

As far as making money and music, this is way too subjective. If someone has the money and the passion, who is to say how much revenue they need to make off of it in order to be legitimated. I make a decent amount of money gigging, not enough to solely live on, but enough to where something like the Ren gets paid out of gig money. Of course, I don't use the Ren live, none of my studio gear is used to make revenue. And ironically the more gigs I have, the less time I have to work on studio stuff. But when I do have time I take the time to compose, try things blah blah.. And I feel like it helps me be a better musician even if it is not related to the music I play and get paid for live.

It really is ridiculous to paint such a rapid decline in value as normal or natural. This time last year Rens's were being flipped for $1700. Now the going rate is just over $500. That's not normal in any regard for a period of 1 year.

audiounity111 wrote:While I agree in principle, I also think there is way more gray area on a subjective personnel basis.

Most of my software - hardware combos depreciated at a much slower rate. Used prices on my VS-700 one year after release was close to new prices. It's one thing for something to lose value over a couple of years or many years as most of the items you listed, something else for it to lose so much value after just one year. Had a different interface came about that I wanted a year after buying my VS-700, I could have sold it at a much lower loss.

As far as making money and music, this is way too subjective. If someone has the money and the passion, who is to say how much revenue they need to make off of it in order to be legitimated. I make a decent amount of money gigging, not enough to solely live on, but enough to where something like the Ren gets paid out of gig money. Of course, I don't use the Ren live, none of my studio gear is used to make revenue. And ironically the more gigs I have, the less time I have to work on studio stuff. But when I do have time I take the time to compose, try things blah blah.. And I feel like it helps me be a better musician even if it is not related to the music I play and get paid for live.

I was really talking more in the sense that if you purchased a piece of hardware you can always resell it and recoup a realistic value, software just lacks that aspect.

If you are doing anything music related that's generating revenue, it doesn't matter if you use the Ren or not, it's still music money.

moyphee wrote:It really is ridiculous to paint such a rapid decline in value as normal or natural. This time last year Rens's were being flipped for $1700. Now the going rate is just over $500. That's not normal in any regard for a period of 1 year.

BS.
Dude you are really starting to come off a real joke, when were people able to flip a Ren for $1700?

Statements like that really add credibility to the stuff you say or have been saying for years every time Akai brings out a new product.

Oh well I already know where this is going.

ntalec wrote:BS.
Dude you are really starting to come off a real joke, when were people able to flip a Ren for $1700?

relax brah. dont catch feelings.....


i remember someone on here saying that they resold their brand new pre-order ren for something like $1700.... then copped a new one soon after..... or something like that.......


but yea......

like i said before,

let me know when big lots gets their 3rd shipment......

ntalec wrote:All MPCs are suffering in the used market and this is nothing new.
The 3k was down to average prices of $500 for clean units a year ago.
The 60 was down to $300 for clean units.
The 1k, 2500, 2k they all go through it.
Last year I purchased a SP12 turbo for $225 on eBay, then saw another one sell for $200 and $250 within the same month.
At the same time got a MV8800 for $375, 2-S900's, on was $35 the other was $45 both v1.2.

damm bro....


youre one helluva shopper!!!!!!!


inCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!

ntalec wrote:Dude you are really starting to come off a real joke, when were people able to flip a Ren for $1700?

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=158620&p=1490134&hilit=police+station#p1490134

Shit mad peeps were flipping 1.01 Rens for even $2400.00.

Yall slept on that?!!

fobedafied wrote:

ntalec wrote:All MPCs are suffering in the used market and this is nothing new.
The 3k was down to average prices of $500 for clean units a year ago.
The 60 was down to $300 for clean units.
The 1k, 2500, 2k they all go through it.
Last year I purchased a SP12 turbo for $225 on eBay, then saw another one sell for $200 and $250 within the same month.
At the same time got a MV8800 for $375, 2-S900's, on was $35 the other was $45 both v1.2.

damm bro....


youre one helluva shopper!!!!!!!


inCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!

I think it's more that I don't shop, just always seem to be coming across deals when I'm not looking.
I never really get into the current price people are asking, I only buy when something has the price I like.

I do not understand!

If Ren/Studio is working for the user, why are they selling their units?

Are they simply looking to buy the next new product? Seems like these individuals never liked the product if that is the case? Or is it simply an investment thing having nothing to do with making music?

This is strange, my friends.

godlike wrote:I do not understand!

If Ren/Studio is working for the user, why are they selling their units?

Are they simply looking to buy the next new product? Seems like these individuals never liked the product if that is the case? Or is it simply an investment thing having nothing to do with making music?

This is strange, my friends.

Cant speak for everyone else

But for me, I couldnt make a beat without the software crashing religiously until 1.4
I felt like I was beta testing the software rather than buying a product that was actually ready for consumers
The MPC stayed in its box and I kept saying... Well, I'll wait until next update, and kept saying that and now the MPC's worth is plummeting fast as hell and im going to b stuck with a product that I still dont like the workflow so I might as well get sub ~$700 before I get like the $599 itll probably settle for. Pick up the Maschine Studio which is already a working product and just get to work on that.

Yeah F AKAI anyway. They obviously can still make money selling the Ren at $800 but they charged us early adopters close to $1300 and gave us a buggy incomplete crap software. Lesson learned, boycot on anything Akai or Numark for that matter.

I've done it with other companies, treat your customers like crap and I'll have nothing to do with you ever again.

Since I can barely get 1/2 my money from selling it, I'll wait and see if something happens. Maybe they'll get their shit together and become a "professional" company
It might become something good someday if they last long enough as a company to see it through.

Airyck wrote:they charged us early adopters close to $1300 and gave us a buggy incomplete crap software. Lesson learned, boycot on anything Akai or Numark for that matter.

this what many new commers here dont know and they see OG's as "haters"...I'm done boycotting for now as akai may be attempting to redeem the brand, and outta respect for community cuz it brings negative vibe

I did learn my lesson when 2500's first came out and is why I'm still holding back with ren purchase.

I cant remember exactly but I think mpc 2500' initially costed $2500, then got dropped to something around $2k then down to $1600. all very drastic