"its all about layering, amp envelopes, filter envelopes, filter and amp responsiveness, amp env responsiveness"
I dunno about all that. I thiink your making it a lot harder than it really is. It all starts with sampling a decent sound. If I drop a pencil on the floor, filters, envelopes and the rest of that stuff ain't gonna do anything, but if you already have a good starting point, all you have to do is get a nice recording signal. I used to do all that 'extra' stuff when I first started, you'd be surprised how little that I do now. It really doesn't take much.
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