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mpc60III wrote:This dude cherry picks statements to create a debate..

No, I just respond to points you have made.

It is a discussion forum, this is discussion, not everyone is going to agree with you.

mpc60III wrote:Here everyone lets tell simon his 100% right. he should work for akai.

Simon...your right buddy. every thing you said in this post is 100% correct. I am sorry I even debated with you. sorry bro.

How dare I....

You throwing a tantrum because someone has a different view that you?

mpc60III wrote:before I go..can you please to us all how its NOT possible for the 5000 to sound better then the ren ? Please and thank you

I never said it was not possible.

I am debating your claim that the Renaissance is cold because it is a computer interface, and any new hardware MPC would automatically sound warmer because it is hardware.

That is just bizarre logic and reasoning.

ok simon. your right buddy !

mpc60III wrote:ok simon. your right buddy !

OK, whatever, hardware is warm, computer is cold.

Right.... Getting back to the point.

I don't think a hardware MPC would be much more expensive than the REN, it'd just be a case of putting a CPU board in there. They have lot's of design & software resources to draw upon from previous MPCs for the CPU.

The REN was pitched at the price it was to recoup the PC end software. Now that a large chunk of that has probably happened then it's just a case of tweaking here & there, now and again.

I think just put the REN in a better (not so plasticy) chassis with a CPU board and hard drive. Job done, everyones happy Look how cheap the Raspberry Pi is.

LZ Roberts wrote:I don't think a hardware MPC would be much more expensive than the REN, it'd just be a case of putting a CPU board in there. They have lot's of design & software resources to draw upon from previous MPCs for the CPU.

You are not going to be running virtual instruments on any previous MPC CPUs.

If you want to use VSTs/AUs/RTAS/AAX, inside the MPC, which is one of the main advantages/selling points for MPC Software/controllers, then you really need the power and OS of a modern computer.

If you take the VSTs out of the MPC, you are really taking a step back in terms of functionality, does the current software/controller market really want that, and would Akai see that there is a viable market for it, after making to move to software in what was most likely a response to Maschine?

You have to factor in development costs, as well as the actual cost of a CPU board, which would be quite high per unit in a low volume product like a new hardware MPC.

I am not against it at all, I just don't see it happening.

Don't think Akai will see there is a market there, and don't believe they have the resources to move MPC Software development forward, introduce new MPC Software controllers, as they will have to, and develop a new hardware MPC that is more advanced than a JJOS MPC2500, at the same time.

If this isn't a topic about the Renaissance, then why is it on the Renaissance board?

Ok, MPC60III contact Roger Linn and ask him why he finally stopped drawing computer renditions of a drum machine he realized he could not built from a fiscal point of view.

If the hardware market still existed Akai would still be trying to capitalize on it.
They just had to come to the understanding that based on the cost there simply isn't enough of a return.

As for someone mentioning making the code for a MPC open source, that just won't happen.
They can't afford the lost caused by someone taking part of the code a developing a new product.

The JJ situation was totally different because of various ownership issues of parts of the code and having worked on the creation of the code.

If Akai could have prevented JJ they would have but thanks to Akai Japan and then the further issues of Akai Professional a lot of variables were put into the OS equation.

Remember just because Akai used some of that Beat Kangz marketing for the Renaissance release doesn't mean they are going to make all the mistakes Beat Kangz made.

I'll look into doing that. thanks for your response

ntalec wrote:Ok, MPC60III contact Roger Linn and ask him why he finally stopped drawing computer renditions of a drum machine he realized he could not built from a fiscal point of view.

I am still hopeful we might see it, he is too busy with the Linnstrument at the moment, but has plans to get to the Linndrum II after that is done.

I've been waiting for Akai or Native Instruments to come up with a product that works with OR without host computer, just like the concept of Roland SP-606.
Computer hardware itself has become really cheap, and computing power per cost is continuing to be cheaper, so I think (and I hope) it will become common setting for future music production gears.

I've been feeling it kind of backward that both Maschine and new MPC lines must to be connected to PC / Mac (host computer) to be functional.
The way I see it, Native Instruments is more likely to come up with a product like Roland SP-606, I think.

JVC wrote:I've been waiting for Akai or Native Instruments to come up with a product that works with OR without host computer, just like the concept of Roland SP-606.
Computer hardware itself has become really cheap, and computing power per cost is continuing to be cheaper, so I think (and I hope) it will become common setting for future music production gears.

I've been feeling it kind of backward that both Maschine and new MPC lines must to be connected to PC / Mac (host computer) to be functional.
The way I see it, Native Instruments is more likely to come up with a product like Roland SP-606, I think.

I guess the challenge (technically and with the costs in mind) is to build a OS from the ground up and not building something in an already developed environment (OS like Windows). cheap programmers might know how to create some good looking stuff on a platform but they probably doesn't know how to create the platfrom itself.
But this might be totally wrong since I don't know nothing about programming and/or the roadblocks that a Windows (or any other OS) comes with.

peace

SimonInAustralia wrote:You are not going to be running virtual instruments on any previous MPC CPUs.

If you want to use VSTs/AUs/RTAS/AAX, inside the MPC, which is one of the main advantages/selling points for MPC Software/controllers, then you really need the power and OS of a modern computer.

If you take the VSTs out of the MPC, you are really taking a step back in terms of functionality,

>>>> The Ren doesn't run any VST's <<<<<........ Your PC does.

Just have a Hardware MPC with tight DAW integration. Simple.
The MPC could then use frozen tracks sent to it when removed from the PC.

LZ Roberts wrote:

SimonInAustralia wrote:If you take the VSTs out of the MPC, you are really taking a step back in terms of functionality,

>>>> The Ren doesn't run any VST's <<<<<........ Your PC does.

Actually, MPC Software runs the VST's, so they are in the MPC, as I said, I never said, or implied, that the VST's ran inside the MPC Renaissance controller.

Your point being?

LZ Roberts wrote:Just have a Hardware MPC with tight DAW integration. Simple.
The MPC could then use frozen tracks sent to it when removed from the PC.

So you want to forget about VSTs in the MPC?

What do you end up with then, an MPC4000?

You think that is what the market, in general, wants?

SimonInAustralia wrote:Actually, MPC Software runs the VST's, so they are in the MPC, as I said, I never said or implied that the VST's ran inside the Renaissance controller.

And the MPC software runs...... on your PC.

SimonInAustralia wrote:

LZ Roberts wrote:Just have a Hardware MPC with tight DAW integration. Simple.
The MPC could then use frozen tracks sent to it when removed from the PC.

So you want to forget about VSTs in the MPC?

What do you end up with then, an MPC4000?

You think that is what the market, in general, wants?

Yes. with really tight DAW integration & the MPC PC software.
The MPC would be a super controller & audio interface, but also an instrument with onboard FX & Sequencer. Is that a bad thing to wish for?

LZ Roberts wrote:And the MPC software runs...... on your PC.

And what is the point of your comment, everyone knows MPC Software runs on your PC.

This is what I said...

SimonInAustralia wrote:If you take the VSTs out of the MPC, you are really taking a step back in terms of functionality,

LZ Roberts wrote:Yes. with really tight DAW integration & the MPC PC software.
The MPC would be a super controller & audio interface, but also an instrument with onboard FX & Sequencer. Is that a bad thing to wish for?

Not necessarily, I just think the manufacturer, and the target market, has moved on from standalone sequencer/sampler hardware, and want it all in the box.

What happens to your MPC composition, that you have used VST instruments and effects in, when you unplug it from the computer?

Or don't you have integrated VST instruments and effects in your new hardware MPC, as they are in MPC Software?

And what is the new hardware MPC doing when plugged into the computer? What is it acting as a super controller and audio interface for?