delnegro wrote:Hiphop is a BLACK artform. Why does that hurt y'all so much to say? Others can contribute and be in involved but that does NOT mean it's not a black artform. Most of the trends, slang, innovations, fashion, were started by blacks. Latinos were involved but no one can deny the MAJORITY of things in regards to hiphop have been started by blacks. Yes hiphop can be made from many things but WHO took the initiative of taking these many things and making it something else?!! I can make some fried rice and egg rolls but that doesnt change the fact that Im a black man making CHINESE food. By saying it's black artform is not discriminating nobody said it's a black artform so whities stay away, you're not allowed in this. As soon as you guys hear Black you think we're on some "mine, mine, mine" sh1t and it aint like that all. But it is what it is and even Eminem said he does BLACK music...so selfishly I might add. And back to Eminem, songs like "just lose it" reminds me of sh1t like Skeelo "I wish I was", cheesy hippop songs like that weren't even on our radar in hip hop once upon a time. Hiphop's trendy now but I cant wait for the new trend so the ex-grungers, ex-boyband pop fans can find something else to d1ckride. aND THE WHOLE PEOPLE FROM THE ESSENCE DONT BUY MOST OF THEM RECORDS WAS REFUTED EASILY AND SIMPLY...BY NUMBERS.
fobedafied wrote: NO YOU AINT GOTTA FEEL EMINEM, but if you into some lyrical skills AT ALL, you gotta RESPECT him as an emcee...
check your eyes and ears,
and, recognize your fears...
Ahhhh..Finally.. The Truth!! And it took 6 pages to arrive here. I been listening to EM since "Just dont give a Fvck", the original 12".. When he used to rock all the college radio stations with his sick(I mean litterally sick) verses. He always stood out, cause he was always the best one to spit. Not saying he's the best rapper ever, but dude is nice. You cant front..A good artist uses his talent and continues to get better. A good artist is honest with his music but moreso himself, which is why I like this new album..It may not be his best but I like that fact that he checked himself. He was honest..Especially with the song "my first single." He's letting cats know that he knows his official first single "just lose it" was wack. I think was told to do a single like that, and he did it to death. Sh!t is wack. But it might draw people who dont normally listen to rap music into listening to his album. When they buy the album, you'll here songs like mosh. In another song he speaks about MC Shan and X-Clan. I know half these kids today who claim they hiphop heads dont even know who these people are. How many well respected rappers of today talk about rappers from back in the day? I think he's helping, not hurting hiphop. Vanilla Ice did more hurt than any good to the game. Either way Em is nice and I think a lot of other rappers feel the same way even though they may not be feeling him or the fact that he's white. Tell me why the only cats that really came after Em were all corny.. C'mon Benzino? What does he have to lose? Cats with strong credibilty aint comin after him, cause Em's gonna do his thing. Jay, Nas have all worked with Em whelther he was rapping or producing because they respect him on some level..Hell the same verse you said you like was on Jay-Z's Blueprint. And most cats from "the Essence" all said it was a damn near a mistake for Jay to put Em on that track because Jay got roasted. You see Eminem only produce a track on the Black Album and was no where to be found on Blueprint 2 rightIm from BK, so I'm from the same streets you from.. If these rappers you respect as Emcees respect Em, why cant you? While Dre did have a huge influence on Em's acceptance in the rap game, there is no way any of us can calculate the influence Dre had on the percentage of sales..Its pure speculation.
"First of all minorities only make up a SMALL percentage of the U.S. for the most part we're only in urban centers so when we did make up the majority of sales heads we're going gold-platinum tops and were happy even if hiphop didnt gain mainstream i.e white acceptance it would still be thriving, we would still be living it."
How do you know we made up the majority in sales? Especially with all the bootlegging going on in the hood. Cats back in the day were happy to gold.. Where are your facts or your numbers..
Hiphop, whelther you like if or not, gained more more buy it going mainstream. Of course you have cats out there now spittin just for cash, but you have more forms of hiphop music now..Hiphop grew because of RunDMC, LL Cool J, Public Enemy, NWA even Biggie. He was ryming about Versace and all that other ish that uderground heads used to call selling out. Best believe they lit their incense and listen to ready to die though. You think white people who bought the beastie boys didnt buy RunDMC and LL Cool J? And cats were still bootlegging their ish in our neighborhood. And I lived on St Johns and Nostrand..Going mainstreamed helped while it left hiphop open for misuse and exploitation, still gain exposure which keeps it alive. I performed in Manchester and Liverpool and I swear to G*d you would think the white people there love the hiphop culture more than we do in the states..White girls Djing and breaking it was crazy..These are all things you'll be hard pressed to find in a party or club in Brooklyn. And you still think HipHop and its music would still be thriving today if it was isolated? Think again!!"Hiphop is a BLACK artform. Why does that hurt y'all so much to say? Others can contribute and be in involved but that does NOT mean it's not a black artform. Most of the trends, slang, innovations, fashion, were started by blacks. Latinos were involved but no one can deny the MAJORITY of things in regards to hiphop have been started by blacks. Yes hiphop can be made from many things but WHO took the initiative of taking these many things and making it something else?!!"
delnegro wrote:All you muhfukas are seeing is BLACK, Do you actually read?! I said OTHERS can CONTRIBUTE and others have that I respect, Rick Rubin and Paul C immediately come to mind, nobody said anyone should be excluded. But yes its does matter to me thats it's a black artform I CARE because I've been down since the fetal stages and watched this baby grow and I'm PROUD of it. That something made in the hood by black cats started a whole new genre of music and subculture. I'm not going to let revisionist history change what I know cause some white kids dont feel comfortable saying they do black music or indulge in a black artform. Where's the racism?!
delnegro wrote:All you muhfukas are seeing is BLACK, Do you actually read?! I said OTHERS can CONTRIBUTE and others have that I respect, Rick Rubin and Paul C immediately come to mind, nobody said anyone should be excluded. But yes its does matter to me thats it's a black artform I CARE because I've been down since the fetal stages and watched this baby grow and I'm PROUD of it. That something made in the hood by black cats started a whole new genre of music and subculture. I'm not going to let revisionist history change what I know cause some white kids dont feel comfortable saying they do black music or indulge in a black artform. Where's the racism?!
