I want an SP 1200 but damn!!

The decay setting is an envelope. A compressor affects the dynamics of a sound. Two very different things. The sp does not have a compressor or anything that sounds like a compressor in it. I think PR just used the wrong word or something.

This has been discussed here:
http://sp1200.myfastforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=1057

mr. hank shocklee i think it was said that they would use the mix out always since it had a better "compression" to it than the individual 8 outs.....

2 sets gone

3 remaining . . . .

SP12_Eproms wrote:OK Folks

I got 5 sets of the TR809 Chips for the SP12 for sale

So if anyone wants to buy a set, get in contact thru PM

I am thinking of 50€ (or equivalent) with easy secure payment thru paypal

If there is enough interest I will offer different sound sets for the SP12
examples to follow.....

Coz wrote:

crossings wrote:any chance we can get an audio sample/mp3/soundcloud/whatever of how those sound?

This is super basic and raw but I think it's representative of the sounds. There's no tweaking of the samples in the 4K other than a bit of 16 level tuning at the end. It's just 2 tracked into Cubase and limited slightly.

@viacom: Envelope has much to do with a compressor. A compressor IS a kind of envelope generator. Its an automatic volume knob that react on the signal in realtime so to say.

@fobe: I guess hank ment the effect the summing stage have on the mix. Could it be called compression? IDK. I havn't heard an A/B of that.

The Input CAN have a kind of compression. On the 2000 there is a max recgain. If you reach it (which is very high for sure) It won't get louder or more distorted no matter how much you raise the source level.

peace

peterpiper wrote:@viacom: Envelope has much to do with a compressor. A compressor IS a kind of envelope generator. Its an automatic volume knob that react on the signal in realtime so to say.

A compressor has a threshold level, and anything above that threshold is reduced in level by the compression ratio.

It is more than just an envelope generator and VCA.

^^yes I know and I didn't say that it is the same but to say envelope and compressor have nothing to do with each other is wrong IMO thats why I posted this.

peace

peterpiper wrote:^^yes I know and I didn't say that it is the same but to say envelope and compressor have nothing to do with each other is wrong IMO thats why I posted this.

And to say, or imply, that the SP has a compressor because it has an envelope setting, is also wrong.

SimonInAustralia wrote:

peterpiper wrote:^^yes I know and I didn't say that it is the same but to say envelope and compressor have nothing to do with each other is wrong IMO thats why I posted this.

And to say, or imply, that the SP has a compressor because it has an envelope setting, is also wrong.

Of course, but...... who said that??

peace

peterpiper wrote:

SimonInAustralia wrote:And to say, or imply, that the SP has a compressor because it has an envelope setting, is also wrong.

Of course, but...... who said that??

Go back a page and read who said it, that is what this whole conversation about a compressor in the SP is all about.

peterpiper wrote:@viacom: Envelope has much to do with a compressor. A compressor IS a kind of envelope generator. Its an automatic volume knob that react on the signal in realtime so to say.

@fobe: I guess hank ment the effect the summing stage have on the mix. Could it be called compression? IDK. I havn't heard an A/B of that.

The Input CAN have a kind of compression. On the 2000 there is a max recgain. If you reach it (which is very high for sure) It won't get louder or more distorted no matter how much you raise the source level.

peace

I see what you mean, compression does affect the adsr of a sound, but more as byproduct of its initial function. most compressors have some sort of envelope on them, preset or manually adjustable, but so do gates. They're added to control where compression takes place. Envelopes don't squish or limit the dynamics or loudness of a sound. Envelopes control adsr.

no need to get more into it cause I see, what I ment is way too off topic. Its not about the SP or a "simple" AD or ADSR envelope.


peace

recently brought an sp1200 off clint

really like the machine

this is the first alright beat i've done on it

The compression that they were speaking of is the reduction in headroom, signal to noise etc that the SP convertors and math cause.
It sounds very simulator to what certain compressors do to a sound.

Emu made what were still considered to be high end with good anti aliasing so instead of distortion it sounds more like compression.
So every sound sampled on the SP passes through a corrective filter which is why the SP and sampling hot seem to be such a good fit.
You combine this with the envelope based filters and you have the compression they are speaking of.

Is it compression not in the true sense but the results are similar to a degree.

2 sets of the tr809 SP12 chips left

New soundset: Old Gold (vintage analog drum machine soundset ala Roland CR68)

anyone else got an sp1200 around here?
almost pulled the trigger on one on ebay