different envelopes per zone?

Hi,

I'm quite desperate in finding this out. The MPC is still very new to me and recently I started layering drums and other sounds. I didn't find out how to have different envelopes and filtersettings per zone. Is this even possible? I didn't find that in the manual and when I chance a parameter it always changes it for the whole pad/key...

cheers!

I did that, but changing something in the filter or amp field changes it for the whole pad.

The Zone option towards the top of the two Edit screens is a red herring as far as I can tell. I think it's merely there as another way of switching the samples for each Zone.

So it's not possible? The amp on the bottom always shows "zone1 output" and you could choose multi or an individual output. but you can't change something for the other zones.

Zone 1 is your primary Zone. Unfortunately all Zones aren't created equally, whereby you can have a different filter or envelope for each Zone.

You can tinker around with the Filter option in the Zone screen and also the Mod Matrix to control how each sample is processed, but that's probably not what you're looking for.

You can't have a different filter for each Zone or a different setting in the Edit 1 screen, unless I'm missing something super obvious.

I like the popcorn emoticon!

I've torn out what little hair I've got left trying to work out if this is possible in the past. I've even resorted to reading the damn manual in the hopes of getting an answer, with no luck.

Lampdog wrote:Master Coz

I make an example so you'll understand:

Zone 1 snappy kickdrum which has a long useless decay
Zone 2 deep bassy kickdrum which has a bad attack for my taste.

so: shorten zone1-kick so it decays right after the attack and soften the attack of zone2-kick so it will only supply its bassy bottom. I'd usually do that with envelopes inside the sampler. I think I will do this again with the emu if this is not possible with the mpc (although I think the MPC suits better for drums soundwise)

edit: Or is there another solution? I really like the sample offset setting on the mpc, so you can align drums perfectly

ja-ki wrote:Or is there another solution?

The best solution would be to pick more appropriate sounds from the start, but there's various things you can do in the 4K to achieve what you want.

The most flexible way would be to keep both sounds on a separate pad and shape the envelopes for each sound. If you wanted to resample them into a single kick you could drop them into an empty sequence on the first beat and create your own offset by using the Move function in either Sequence or Step Edit. If you absolutely need to hear the offset in realtime (and this is admittedly a bit anal, but it works), move the sample that will be the decay for the kick + 30 or 40 ticks. Now set up a 1 bar loop at 100BPM and gradually increase the tempo as the loop plays. The tempo becomes the offset, and when you hit the sweet spot just record the Main Out.

Alternatively you could destructively adjust the samples in the Trim screen. Ditch the "useless decay" by trimming the sample back and discarding it, but leave a small portion so you can use the Fade Up/Down option in Sample Edit. I use this all the time when I'm sampling drums from the SP-12 to get rid of all the extraneous crap at the end of the sample.

There's various other things you could do but those are the best three I can think of.

That is way to complex. I layer a lot of sounds and shift them around to get new interesting textures. I do a lot of breakbeat driven/drum'n'bass stuff, so layering is almost a "must" (and a lot of fun)
This is actually quite a downer :/