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By Metatron72 Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:21 pm
The MPK's pads are severely lacking. (mounted to high to make proper contact with the sensors). They are fine on full level but to play with proper velocity/dynamics it's a nightmare. You can for $40USD replace them with MPCStuff Fat Pads, all issues solved...but you have to carefully take the machine apart, re-assemble it and it will void your warranty.

It's not too tricky actually, you may have to take out one power connector, and be very careful taking the PCB board off its mounting clips, they are pretty cheap plastic. (I'm 99% sure the MPK's are constructed very similar to the MPD's, I modded an MPD32)

For a cheaper solution for MPC style workflow I would recommend FXpansion Geist. It's a really nice piece of software, it's $249USD. Then you could get Cockos Reaper to host the VST/AU version of Geist. That would be if you want to add synths and have a multi-track recording environment to pair with Geist. (There are freeware synths out there that are very usable.)

The MPK only has the 12 pads but you could make up the other 4 pads assigning them to 4 keys on the MPK.

Reaper is $60 and the demo doesn't time out, so you can take the time to see if you want to purchase the license. Geist has a demo you can download. And if you only want to do sampling and work with it's bundled drum library it can be used in standalone mode without a host DAW app.



http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=120

http://www.reaper.fm/

Just wanted to mention another option if you aren't ready to spend more to have an actual hardware MPC or the newer Ren hybrid solution.
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By Lampdog Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:25 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Lampdog wrote:If you can afford a 2kxl why not dive full in on a 4k?
Both are good machines and can work wonders.
I have both.

2500 w/ jjos = a killer machine, if possible, get that!

The type of music you wanna make can be made with any machine.
Don't think mpc's are for hiphop, think where thy are for anything you want.


Well cause I'm trading my PS3 and like 200$ for it but now I got my hands on the SP-606 for only 250$ and idk what to choose

Sounds like your gonna end up learning an expensive lesson. Buying gear and not knowing/reasearching more into features. Alot of us have been in that same spot at the beginning.

Sell everything (except the 707) and get a 2500 w/ jjos, end all this madness and confusion you are putting yourself through.

PS3 and $200 = is NOT a good trade imo, you'll end up with the short end of the stick.
By Ozymandias Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:26 pm
kaydigi wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:Well that's the thing guys I'm totally new to this and I just don't know. I just see MPCs everywhere and I'm started to get the envy to have one. So I thought I shouldc ome here and ask you all. So like if I want to make old school hip hop, what would you guys suggest for a sampler, anything though not only MPC. And is the MPK25 good to start off with? Because I ordered it a day ago.


What software are you using with the Mpk?

I'm using FL Studio right now and slowly learning Ableton
By Ozymandias Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:27 pm
Lampdog wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
Lampdog wrote:If you can afford a 2kxl why not dive full in on a 4k?
Both are good machines and can work wonders.
I have both.

2500 w/ jjos = a killer machine, if possible, get that!

The type of music you wanna make can be made with any machine.
Don't think mpc's are for hiphop, think where thy are for anything you want.


Well cause I'm trading my PS3 and like 200$ for it but now I got my hands on the SP-606 for only 250$ and idk what to choose

Sounds like your gonna end up learning an expensive lesson. Buying gear and not knowing/reasearching more into features. Alot of us have been in that same spot at the beginning.

Sell everything (except the 707) and get a 2500 w/ jjos, end all this madness and confusion you are putting yourself through.

PS3 and $200 = is NOT a good trade imo, you'll end up with the short end of the stick.

Yeah I figured. I'm just gonna try to save up as much money as I can right now and see what I can do with it.
By Ozymandias Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:30 pm
Metatron72 wrote:The MPK's pads are severely lacking. (mounted to high to make proper contact with the sensors). They are fine on full level but to play with proper velocity/dynamics it's a nightmare. You can for $40USD replace them with MPCStuff Fat Pads, all issues solved...but you have to carefully take the machine apart, re-assemble it and it will void your warranty.

It's not too tricky actually, you may have to take out one power connector, and be very careful taking the PCB board off its mounting clips, they are pretty cheap plastic. (I'm 99% sure the MPK's are constructed very similar to the MPD's, I modded an MPD32)

For a cheaper solution for MPC style workflow I would recommend FXpansion Geist. It's a really nice piece of software, it's $249USD. Then you could get Cockos Reaper to host the VST/AU version of Geist. That would be if you want to add synths and have a multi-track recording environment to pair with Geist. (There are freeware synths out there that are very usable.)

The MPK only has the 12 pads but you could make up the other 4 pads assigning them to 4 keys on the MPK.

Reaper is $60 and the demo doesn't time out, so you can take the time to see if you want to purchase the license. Geist has a demo you can download. And if you only want to do sampling and work with it's bundled drum library it can be used in standalone mode without a host DAW app.



http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=120

http://www.reaper.fm/

Just wanted to mention another option if you aren't ready to spend more to have an actual hardware MPC or the newer Ren hybrid solution.

Well MPK25 is what I can afford right now, I'm thinking of sticking to this for now and upgrading whenever I get the money for it
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By Metatron72 Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:49 pm
You'll have a MIDI controller, FL and Ableton. You have all you need. Learn them and get some samples and you're all set to make tracks. FL has the synths, can do drums with the FPC or just multiple Sampler generators loaded. Ableton has Drum Racks, to load up to 128 samples and play them from drum pads or keys.

And it slices samples and allows FX per pad. (i.e. reverb on one pad, delay on another etc...) And FL has Slice-X and DirectWave that do all you'll ever need to process samples, and DirectWave plays back most multi-sampled instrument formats.
By Ozymandias Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:54 pm
Metatron72 wrote:You'll have a MIDI controller, FL and Ableton. You have all you need. Learn them and get some samples and you're all set to make tracks. FL has the synths, can do drums with the FPC or just multiple Sampler generators loaded. Ableton has Drum Racks, to load up to 128 samples and play them from drum pads or keys.

And it slices samples and allows FX per pad. (i.e. reverb on one pad, delay on another etc...) And FL has Slice-X and DirectWave that do all you'll ever need to process samples, and DirectWave plays back most multi-sampled instrument formats.

But I'm sincerely considering the SP-606 right now and I have a Korg Keyboard which I can use as a Midi Controller I think
By forknspoon Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:59 pm
oh sorry if I gave that impression that I would take it back and not have any of the MPCs... far from it.

the only reason I had it was because I was lacking in the funds department for an MPC... MPC beats the 606 by a mile... at least. I just wish I had it now with the rig I have set up.


if you're deciding between the two, MPC all day every day no questions asked...

edit: not even a close to each other... MPC.
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By SimonInAustralia Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:38 pm
Ozymandias wrote:I really can't get my hands on a Ren right now so I'll save up a grand and a half for that later.

They are selling new on eBay for $799.

Second hand cheaper.

Don't even think about spending $1500 on one!
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By Lampdog Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:39 pm
Ozymandias wrote: I have a Korg Keyboard which I can use as a Midi Controller I think

Which model korg kybd?
By coolderb Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:39 am
Ozymandias wrote:Okay so guys right now all I can afford is a MPC 2000XL and I'm doing this trade with a guy for my PS3 and like some extra money. I really can't get my hands on a Ren right now so I'll save up a grand and a half for that later. Any tips for the MPC 2000XL?


You can get a used MPC Studio for $324 at Guitar Center? I've seen them on Ebay for $250. That way you get to run the same software as the Ren (including VSTs) and can use it with the DAW programs you already have.
By coolderb Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:46 am
coolderb wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:Okay so guys right now all I can afford is a MPC 2000XL and I'm doing this trade with a guy for my PS3 and like some extra money. I really can't get my hands on a Ren right now so I'll save up a grand and a half for that later. Any tips for the MPC 2000XL?


You can get a used MPC Studio for $324 at Guitar Center? I've seen them on Ebay for $250. That way you get to run the same software as the Ren (including VSTs) and can use it with the DAW programs you already have.


Update: The GC in Plano, TX has one for $250!

http://used.guitarcenter.com/usedgear/i ... stance=100


They will ship it to your local store or directly to you.
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By maximum robot Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:23 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
kaydigi wrote:What software are you using with the Mpk?

I'm using FL Studio right now and slowly learning Ableton


Dump the FL and learn that Live.
Ableton Live + hardware = heaven.
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By JDSY Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:58 pm
I too am considering the Ren,

don't mean to hi-jack the thread though, just continue discussion.

I am traveling this month in lieu of getting one, unless while i'm in Portland OR I decide to get the MPC Studio and really spend my time working on music while I'm there.

What I really think is awesome about the ren is the 16 knobs. I prefer knobs over the wheels on the studio, and the fact that they automap depending on what your doing seems awesome. I watched the MPC university videos and it just looks awesome and fun. I had a 2KXL and at times i thought it was limited, compared to all the tweaking I would do with my korg esx.

The Ren actually looks awesome for a live performance item as well.

Has anyone else bought the Studio before getting the Ren? I just wonder if I should wait to get the ren, it is so cheap right now, and has a lot of functions that really make the marriage with the software complete, from what i see.