Break it down again....Why dont u just re-read it? Its hear 4ever
By kvisko
Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:53 pm
I wonder why hes confused? Kids are talking programming and timing basics here... the fundamentals of sample manipulation.
If anyone uses the program ACID 3.0 or ACID 4.0 then you might be familiar with the Beat Slicer in it that automates a lot of this process. Likewise its simple on the MPC and is so fundamental to sampling and programming that its odd to see it discussed in such a "wow look at this discovery!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneooneone" manner.
If anyone uses the program ACID 3.0 or ACID 4.0 then you might be familiar with the Beat Slicer in it that automates a lot of this process. Likewise its simple on the MPC and is so fundamental to sampling and programming that its odd to see it discussed in such a "wow look at this discovery!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneooneone" manner.
help help 1m lost 1 can save a audio sample into the2000xl but when 1 record it as a sequence 1 cant . How do 1 get the sample to stay on time . Is there anyway you can email me some techniques you would go use to multitrack record; in full detail I would like to learn how record my sequences as 1 big song note;i never used a mpc i lost with this factory manual
By Frankly
Sun Dec 12, 2004 8:03 am
cooocooo1 wrote:I agree with Dove, seems like ya'll are makin this harder than it should be, while I understand that some cats look at music from a mathematical stand point I tend to look at it from a musical stand point, if I want change ups in the sequence I play change ups, just like a drummer, imagine a drummer for a live band sayin' "yo, could I get a MPC so I can program those change ups at the end of the song".i just tried the method on the MPC.
I'm not knockin' the above mentioned methods, they just seem to make things more complicated than they need to be imo.
i agree with coocooo1, wouldnt this be way easier if you just played it? not that the procedure takes long or anything, but i been doing lil fills or drum breakdowns like this by just playing it.
and as dov pointed out too, this is probably easiest on a midi grid seq like in protools or reason.
I don't know if we are listening to the same track. Memphis Bleek "Mind Right" off of the "Understanding" album right? Y'all breaking out the calculus. It's not that deep! It's an 8 bar sequence with him playing the "break down" on bar 7 and 8. If you are wondering how he changed the pitch of the sample, he just used the note feature which is available on your MPC. Learn your machine.
Hutch
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Hutch
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By young_keyz
Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:16 am
Hutchdaddy wrote:Learn your machine.
Your 3 post deep homie so before you start telling people to learn there machine learn to read when stuff was posted and stop bringing back the dead!
By Dankpharmacist
Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:47 pm
kvisko wrote:I wonder why hes confused? Kids are talking programming and timing basics here... the fundamentals of sample manipulation.
If anyone uses the program ACID 3.0 or ACID 4.0 then you might be familiar with the Beat Slicer in it that automates a lot of this process. Likewise its simple on the MPC and is so fundamental to sampling and programming that its odd to see it discussed in such a "wow look at this discovery!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneooneone" manner.
Acid makes this lightening fast.. and you can mess around with all sorts of variations on different time signatures extremely quickly. I might try on the MPC but it seems like a skill not worth learning (or time wasted). Is there any reason why doing it on the MPC would be better than using acid?
By Chulukinat
Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:53 pm
why do you have to give the time sig for every bar? thats annoying as fruck!
they shouldve made time sig per track like in reason redrum.
(mpc1000 jj os )
they shouldve made time sig per track like in reason redrum.
(mpc1000 jj os )
By Spacetimegod
Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:40 am
DOVESKI wrote:thats probably pro tools, if you got your tracks on the midi grid all you gotta do is change the time sig, change the scrubber to grid instead of slide and chop and re arrange. its seems kinda a long winded to program something like that in the MPC.
I agree.
By keepitcherry
Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:41 am
lol you resurrected a 2 year old thread to say i agree
By NAJROCK
Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:39 am
i read something in i think remix where just blaze was saying that he bounced everything into stems in ableton and messed with them in there...
i think it was him at least.
i think it was him at least.
By Alistar
Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:52 am
Question: why would anyone wanna make beats like Mannie Fresh? It's like saying "How to sing like William Hung!"
By Spacetimegod
Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:02 pm
Alistar wrote:Question: why would anyone wanna make beats like Mannie Fresh? It's like saying "How to sing like William Hung!"
WORD!
By BLACKDIAMOND
Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:24 pm
First off let me apologize in advance for the length of this post, but I felt like speaking my mind.....
I know this is an old ass thread, but to the two above-KILL YOURSELF! Manny Fresh is an orginator and has been getting paid of his beats for 2 decades. But you guys are right, why would anyone wanna make beats that: people around the world rock to, become classics, make the club go crazy, go multi platinum, launch the career of one of the biggest MCs in the game, get airplay every single day, have mass appeal, put your city on the map, are guaranteed hits, cause white high school girls to "drop it like it's hot", oh yeah not to mention provide perpetual royalty checks that will feed your family for generations and make you a multi millionaire.
Bottomline is he has achieved everything a producer dreams of and is a true originator of southern style hip-hop. If you dont like his tracks, thats cool, but manny fresh makes hits with mass appeal and if thats not what you are shooting for as a producer you are in the wrong game.
If you wanna be mad that the southern style of hip hop is oversaturated, hate on the biters who dont have their own style and only care about money; not the man who was originated the style when you were in diapers (and if you were older than that in the 80s you need to grow up for real).
This is my first post here and im not going on a rant to get a response from these guys (the thread is a year old) but i have seen too much hating on this forum. If someone does something a certain way that is different than how you do it, or they have a different ear and like a different style of track than you; that doesn't make either person right or wrong. In fact, a lot of people that hate on producers and artists that have achieved mainstream success probably just dont have a good ear for music in general, so their frustration, jealousy, and lack of inforamtion/ad or respect translates into anger and causes them to hate on anything that has mass appeal and achieves commercial success.
I could go on, but I found a video earlier that sums up my feelings on all the petty debate that goes on in this forum.
http://vimeo.com/4838970
One last thought for my introductory post. If you are a software cat, thats cool, do what works for you, but if you haven't made music on an mpc before you really don't know what you are missing. Sure the real MPCs have their limitations, but thats all part of the creative process. For me personally it is impossible for me to get down with software for the simple fact that I know there really are no limitations; it's distracting! Plus staring at a computer screen and clicking a mouse and keyboard immediately takes me out of my "rainman" mode. I need to turn knobs, move sliders, and bang on pads!
But back to the orginal topic. There is actually a much easier to setup this type breakdown, how easy this is to set up depends on what MPC you are using. All you need to do is take find the bar or bars of the song that you want to break down and resample the entire sequence. Take your new sample and slice it into equal parts to obtain the the type of notes you want to break it down into. for example lets say you took just one bar and you wanted the breakdown to be in 1/16th notes, slice the loop into 16 equal regions and asign each region to its own pad, name and save the program and your good to go. Now you can record the stutter in real time so that it sounds exactly how you want it, you can even use the roll/note repeat button if you want. Since you chopped up the whole bar, you can get way more creative and start or stop the breakdown at any point and stutter any beat of the bar.
You can even take things a step further by swapping out one of the original drum programs or individual sounds and replacing it with the a piece of the chopped bar at any point in the sequence you want a breakdown or stutter. For example, you could trigger the stutter using the existing hi hat pattern to trigger your resampled chops instead, or if you want a slower breakdown use the existing kick and snare pattern for your stutter. Hope that makes sense........
Spacetimegod wrote:Alistar wrote:Question: why would anyone wanna make beats like Mannie Fresh? It's like saying "How to sing like William Hung!"
WORD!
I know this is an old ass thread, but to the two above-KILL YOURSELF! Manny Fresh is an orginator and has been getting paid of his beats for 2 decades. But you guys are right, why would anyone wanna make beats that: people around the world rock to, become classics, make the club go crazy, go multi platinum, launch the career of one of the biggest MCs in the game, get airplay every single day, have mass appeal, put your city on the map, are guaranteed hits, cause white high school girls to "drop it like it's hot", oh yeah not to mention provide perpetual royalty checks that will feed your family for generations and make you a multi millionaire.
Bottomline is he has achieved everything a producer dreams of and is a true originator of southern style hip-hop. If you dont like his tracks, thats cool, but manny fresh makes hits with mass appeal and if thats not what you are shooting for as a producer you are in the wrong game.
If you wanna be mad that the southern style of hip hop is oversaturated, hate on the biters who dont have their own style and only care about money; not the man who was originated the style when you were in diapers (and if you were older than that in the 80s you need to grow up for real).
This is my first post here and im not going on a rant to get a response from these guys (the thread is a year old) but i have seen too much hating on this forum. If someone does something a certain way that is different than how you do it, or they have a different ear and like a different style of track than you; that doesn't make either person right or wrong. In fact, a lot of people that hate on producers and artists that have achieved mainstream success probably just dont have a good ear for music in general, so their frustration, jealousy, and lack of inforamtion/ad or respect translates into anger and causes them to hate on anything that has mass appeal and achieves commercial success.
I could go on, but I found a video earlier that sums up my feelings on all the petty debate that goes on in this forum.
http://vimeo.com/4838970
One last thought for my introductory post. If you are a software cat, thats cool, do what works for you, but if you haven't made music on an mpc before you really don't know what you are missing. Sure the real MPCs have their limitations, but thats all part of the creative process. For me personally it is impossible for me to get down with software for the simple fact that I know there really are no limitations; it's distracting! Plus staring at a computer screen and clicking a mouse and keyboard immediately takes me out of my "rainman" mode. I need to turn knobs, move sliders, and bang on pads!
But back to the orginal topic. There is actually a much easier to setup this type breakdown, how easy this is to set up depends on what MPC you are using. All you need to do is take find the bar or bars of the song that you want to break down and resample the entire sequence. Take your new sample and slice it into equal parts to obtain the the type of notes you want to break it down into. for example lets say you took just one bar and you wanted the breakdown to be in 1/16th notes, slice the loop into 16 equal regions and asign each region to its own pad, name and save the program and your good to go. Now you can record the stutter in real time so that it sounds exactly how you want it, you can even use the roll/note repeat button if you want. Since you chopped up the whole bar, you can get way more creative and start or stop the breakdown at any point and stutter any beat of the bar.
You can even take things a step further by swapping out one of the original drum programs or individual sounds and replacing it with the a piece of the chopped bar at any point in the sequence you want a breakdown or stutter. For example, you could trigger the stutter using the existing hi hat pattern to trigger your resampled chops instead, or if you want a slower breakdown use the existing kick and snare pattern for your stutter. Hope that makes sense........
Last edited by BLACKDIAMOND on Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.