is making a beat the same as making ...

A dustbin lid isn't ONLY a musical instrument, but it CAN BE used as one.

Peace

yup

well linguistic arguments often result in pure pedanticism so i guess we are both right...

greg

Musical:
1. Of, relating to, or capable of producing music: a musical instrument.
2. Characteristic of or resembling music; melodious: a musical speaking voice.
3. Set to or accompanied by music: a musical revue.
4. Devoted to or skilled in music.

Instrument:
1. A means by which something is done; an agency.
2. One used by another to accomplish a purpose; a dupe.
3. An implement used to facilitate work. See Synonyms at tool.
4. Music. A device for playing or producing music: a keyboard instrument.

Music:
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
2. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.
3. A musical composition.
4. The written or printed score for such a composition.
5. A musical accompaniment.
6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines.

Windy_City_Hawk wrote:Instrument:
4. Music. A device for playing or producing music: a keyboard instrument.

Music:
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.

I just read the entire thread, and must disagree somewhat with Dubmonkey. YOU cannot define what a musical instrument is to another musician! If I use pots and pans as intruments then they ARE instruments! Now, of course your pots and pans are just cooking utensiles, but mine are musical instruments.

In the same sense your turntables are just for playing records, but I know SEVERAL DJ's who's turntables are musical instruments, and they use them along with other musical instruments to make music.

Two turntables and a mixer is the same as an MPC with only two pads!

fair enough wind you call them musical instruments i dont...this is a linguistic argument which means everyone involved could have a different definition about what a musical instrument is to them so this will never be resolved...i guess i was arguing from a formal point of view- i dont think i'd find dustbins lids etc being sold at a musical instrument shop and wouldn't expect them to but if your definition of a musical instrument is different then perhaps you would expect to see them being sold....we wont agree on this but its all good

greg

whatever makes your head bop or your feet move is music.

i dont think i'd find dustbins lids etc being sold at a musical instrument shop and wouldn't expect them to but if your definition of a musical instrument is different then perhaps you would expect to see them being sold....

they sell turntables at a music shop right by the guitars, dj-qbert , short cut mixmaster mike, roc raida,rob swiftand many others concider TT as musical instruments and they use music notation for there scratches, check out the movie scratch and they explain how they use the notations the turntable is used like you use a tambrine,or a congo drum as a fill in. many bands use a dj as an instrument in there band.
so yeah i would say a dj is a musician

theres even a foundation for turntables as an instrument.
peace

they also sell leads and amps which arent musical instruments...i know what you are all saying, i guess i feel the turntable has a bit of a way to go until i consider it a musical instrument- again it may be that ive yet to hear an example which convinces me which doesn't mean such performances dont exist just that im perhaps ignorant to them- i got bored of the whole scratch artist thing a long time ago so guess there could be stuff which does have djs play original melodies through a turntable....

greg

Alright, here's your definition as posted before:

"Music:
1. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre.
2. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm.
3. A musical composition.
4. The written or printed score for such a composition.
5. A musical accompaniment.
6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines."

A musician therefore does one of the above... In example 6 music is described as a combination of sounds. So if you combine sounds (i.e. make music), you can call yourself a musician. Whether or not the combination of sounds (the music) is pleasing to you is a personal affair!

i read that the first time...por que?

greg

he he he, im not sure how many different ways i can express my opinion....both me and you lot are repeating ourselves....funny thing is going back to the original thread i do believe making a beat is the same just the djibng aspect im yet to be convinced of....

greg

Let me convince you then...

A musician makes music. Music is a combination of sounds. Some DJs combine sounds on turntables. Therefore DJs can be called musicians...
Convinced yet?

You don't have to like that way of making music, but it IS music and SOME DJs are musicians... But only SOME DJs... If all you do is press play, you aren't really MAKING music, you are just PLAYING BACK music... DJs that scratch, cut ish up, flip two records, etc ARE musicians. They use their turntables as "analog samplers" and trigger samples with their hands, rather than digitally. They COMBINE SOUNDS manually with their hands, just like you do with any other musical instrument.

RECOGNIZE!

no and you're repeating things which either means you think i dont understand or that i should come round to your way of thinking- either way its a waste of your breath as you are only rehashing what others have said but in a much more condescending way...ive already mentioned i dont consider mashing two records together a performance on a musical instrument so am not really sure what to recognise there..whats probably best is you recognise that i didnt agree when i was getting intelligent replies and therefore to suddenly change my mind because someone has retyped whats already been said is not going to happen....

so essentially the thread would have stayed the same without your contribution so next time you try to convince me dont just rehash the weakest elements of other peoples arguments...

greg