Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000
By Ron-Jay Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:07 pm
I don't know exactly how redundant this is, but I have seen at least one other posts on here protesting their store's markup on switches.
They want $245 per screen for two USED screens.
How many of ya'll payed 245 for the **** whole machine? That's not even close to fair pricing, and the problem is they aren't really even competing with anyone. We have families to feed too, am I right? How for does this have to go for people to work together on a boycott or a group action.
Am I the only one who feels taken advantage of on this? Do they even need positive customer reviews?
Yo, I just woke up and that shit got way under my skin fast as ****.
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By distortedtekno Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:28 pm
I'm not surprised. A lot of people inflate prices for gear and parts that are no longer available. If you did a search on ebay for the flash rom, you'll see it's up there in price as well. Vote with your wallet. Find an MPC2000 for parts with a good display, and sell the rest of the parts to buy an MO drive.
By Ron-Jay Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:01 am
alright so what i did was what you recommended. i went and bought another full MPC. Found a guy on ebay with a scsi 2gig cf reader + mpc2k combo and worked it out with him. totaled me $325 after shipping. i offered him $125 for the card reader and he offered me the mpc for $200 if i got both. says there's no lines in the screen so i went for it.

My question is how is it that i can get an MPC 2000 for $200 and these **** are trying to sell me a lcd screen for $250?
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By distortedtekno Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:41 am
I feel where you're coming from. I don't like having to put an MPC out of commission. But on the other hand, when 2 of them are not working, at least it's better to build one really solid unit. If I wanted to get the other unit running, it would end up costing more than if I bought another for parts. So by selling what working parts I have to save someone else's MPC from sitting in a corner collecting dust, it all works out. The parts from one unit can save several. That's the sacrifice that has to be made.

If the prices of the MPC2000 were much higher than they are, nobody would mind having to spend more than $200 to keep their's running. I don't know if the MPC2000 will end up increasing in value. But it's very possible if people become more aware of the fact that the prices for displays are going up.

Either way, the 2000 is still a valuable piece of gear to me. 17 years later, since I first started using my friend's MPC2000, owning the 1000 for 7-8 years (and spending lots of money on the new pads and other upgrades), coming back to the 2000 really is a relief... I never have to worry about bugs or OS updates, and the build quality is more to my liking. I still get concerned about lines in the screen in the future. But between the spare screen and the new screens coming out when they're ready, I'm set for a long time. Anything else I may need like a slider and a few tact switches are easy to buy from mouser.com and a hell of a lot cheaper than places like VST Service and MPC-Stuff would charge me.
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By Star One Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:59 am
Dunno if anyone else is on their mailing list.. But instead of the usual "screens are in development still, but we have no idea for an ETA" they have going on, this time said "LCD's are in development, and we should have a prototype in 3-4 weeks" or something (not direct qoute, from memory, but time frame is right).

So there's some good news if they come out.

But that's how it goes with anything in low supply but higher demand. Car parts, components for other peices of audio gear (Heck look at the price of the second, even first profilter boards for the S series, or the output expantion for the MV's!!!!!), records.

I don't agree with a lot of MPC-STUFF prices, like tact switches especially. Yikes! But anyone who boycotts them over the price of an LCD, if they look at ebay, it's pretty much the same price from what I've always seen.

Like would they complain about an EB16 being 250.00 from MPC-STUFF? When thats how much they go for standard on ebay? Who knows.

I do get it though.. The frustration of it, like on our end of things, yeah it does suck... But I understand it is a business and they have expences, plus business is to primarly first to make a profit.

I can say, this is the first time I have been to be excited about news about a replacement LCD haha! At least they always stuck with saying, no ETA, having problems. Rather then keep doing some beat around the bush type of deal, saying this and that. So it means more hearing, prototype maybe in 3-4 weeks. Estimates are dope.
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:11 am
The MPC market is a ridiculously small niche. Tiny. It's also fragmented, with over a dozen different models many of which use components unique only to that model.

To compound the issue, 90% of MPC models are now discontinued and most OEM parts are now no longer available from Akai, and that now includes most parts from the 1000/2500/500/5000.

So this isn't just a case of MPC Stuff buying in a load of parts dirt cheap and selling huge quantities every day, basking in high profits. Instead he's having to spend time, money and resources sourcing these parts for the handful of people who want them.

That means identifying, sourcing and testing alternative compatible components, often having to buy in bulk as that's the only option and then having to sit on that stock for months or even years, or hunting down used parts etc.

This isn't Walmart or Amazon, where they can buy in 1000 toasters and sell them with $5 markup in full confidence that two days later they'll all be sold out. In such a niche market, it's likely that only a handful of people each year will require some of these parts. Yet the expectation is that not only will these parts be available to them when they need them, but they should also be cheap? Never going to happen.

This isn't a conscious decision to 'take advantage' of a niche market by charging high prices because they can 'get away with it' being the only shop in town. If they sold items with little profit, the business would go down.

This isn't blind support for a friend, I do appreciate we all want a bargain, and I can see why some people are disappointed to see tact switches at $8 when they know they can buy a batch of them from Mouser for significantly less unit cost, but of course those people are not the target market. An $8 tact is there for the producer whose MAIN button isn't working anymore, who just wants the damn thing fixed and working again. So he just nips over to MPC Stuff, pays his $8 for a guaranteed compatible part and a day later he's back on track.

The other guys can instead download the service manual, hunt around for somewhere selling the compatible part in stock, then be forced to bulk buy more tact switches than they'll ever need. TBH it doesn't matter what price MPC Stuff would charge for a tact switch, $8 or $1, someone is always going to whine about how they only cost $0.06 each on Mouser (if you buy a 1000 of them), while plenty of other people are just happy to have a reliable and quick supply source that's done all the hard work for them and is able to just sell them the single unit they actually need.

The other thing to consider is that MPC Stuff do not just source existing parts, Mike is also actively developing completely new parts for the community. Need a new sensor sheet for the MPC3000? Guess what, Akai stopped making them years ago, so Mike spent the time & money developing his own version. Hate that wobble on your MPC1000 data wheel? Guess who's been working on a solution for over a year now?

Were you one of the forum members who always wanted a big screen for the 1000 or 2500? Look what's magically appeared on the MPC Stuff web site for you - the ultimate niche product, a large screen for two discontinued MPCs that requires a specially developed OS to take full advantage of it. Do you think such a ridiculously niche product is selling in the numbers that would allow him to sell it at bargain basement pricing?

So yes, he's going to sell a used screen at a decent profit, because that profit means he can afford to invest the money in developing more cool stuff for you guys. Plus when running a proper business, his expenses and responsibilities are significantly greater than some geezer on ebay selling his used MPC, so the pricing is going to reflect that as well.

MPC Stuff "aren't really even competing with anyone" quite simply because no one else would be willing to run such a niche business, it's clearly a labour of love and I think many of you take it for granted that these parts are there on tap for you, whenever you need them, with all the specialist support and advice you need to get them up and running. Mike has given a lot to the MPC community and I find it incredibly embarrassing to read people talking about 'boycotts' and 'group action', when you should instead be supporting people who put so much work and passion into this community.
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By distortedtekno Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:21 pm
I agree entirely, and I give Mike at MPC-Stuff a lot of credit for what he's been doing over the past several years. I wouldn't pay $8 for a tact switch. But for anything else I need or ever needed, I've been happy to do business with him. So I wouldn't want to boycott him and I'm glad that he's still working on parts to keep our MPCs running for a long time.
By Ron-Jay Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:38 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:
So yes, he's going to sell a used screen at a decent profit, because that profit means he can afford to invest the money in developing more cool stuff for you guys. Plus when running a proper business, his expenses and responsibilities are significantly greater than some geezer on ebay selling his used MPC, so the pricing is going to reflect that as well.

MPC Stuff "aren't really even competing with anyone" quite simply because no one else would be willing to run such a niche business, it's clearly a labour of love and I think many of you take it for granted that these parts are there on tap for you, whenever you need them, with all the specialist support and advice you need to get them up and running. Mike has given a lot to the MPC community and I find it incredibly embarrassing to read people talking about 'boycotts' and 'group action', when you should instead be supporting people who put so much work and passion into this community.


yeah ok i see what you're saying. you guys have been around and know who these guys are. i have to respect the fact that someone is out there doing what they can to take advantage of a niche market that is ultimately to the benefit of us users. i myself did not know that this website is operated by the same guy doing all of these other things.

i still stand by my outrage that one good used lcd screen is more expensive than an entire unit with a good lcd screen. it's a raw deal up and down, no matter who is willing to pay it. it just doesn't add up. he can charge that though because obviously people are buying. so that's my loss and his gain...

got my second 2k comin now though! and i got a cf drive too which i'm excited for. thank you ebay.