NEWS Flash!! New MPC concept shown at Build 2014

daftmunk wrote:i'm just a bit puzzled by the use of windows.. this sort of means mac users are screwed which would be fatal since most pro audio producers are on that platform..

Guys, you are misunderstanding the use of Windows here. Windows Embedded is simply an OS created with the sole purpose of allowing manufacturers to integrate a ready-made functioning OS to any hardware. It just saves them the hassle of creating their own propriatory OS. Once Windows Embedded is integrated into the hardware, the hardware developers develop an application to run seamlessly within it (the MPC application) and then it is CLOSED to any further software installations. It becomes a self contained system.

At this point, it does not mater one bit that the underlying OS is Windows, as basically as far as the end user is concerned, they only ever see the MPC application installed in it. This is no different to any EPOS or ATM machine you might use - most of them run Windows, but you are completely unaware of it as you only ever interact with the ATM software installed on top of it.

So it does not matter if you run Mac OS, Linux or Windows on your own computer. It's no different to using an MPC1000 with your computer - the MPC will communicate with your computer via the universal methods (e.g USB, MIDI etc). As an end user, it's unlikely that this MPC will allow you to install any additional software. The Windows OS is simply a ready-made host that allows the developers a quick way to roll out hardware. So mac users are not screwed, in the same way that they are not screwed that an MPC1000 uses 'Akai OS', not Mac OS.

MPC-Tutor wrote:

daftmunk wrote:i'm just a bit puzzled by the use of windows.. this sort of means mac users are screwed which would be fatal since most pro audio producers are on that platform..

Guys, you are misunderstanding the use of Windows here. Windows Embedded is simply an OS created with the sole purpose of allowing manufacturers to integrate a ready-made functioning OS to any hardware. It just saves them the hassle of creating their own propriatory OS. Once Windows Embedded is integrated into the hardware, the hardware developers develop an application to run seamlessly within it (the MPC application) and then it is CLOSED to any further software installations. It becomes a self contained system.

At this point, it does not mater one bit that the underlying OS is Windows, as basically as far as the end user is concerned, they only ever see the MPC application installed in it. This is no different to any EPOS or ATM machine you might use - most of them run Windows, but you are completely unaware of it as you only ever interact with the ATM software installed on top of it.

So it does not matter if you run Mac OS, Linux or Windows on your own computer. It's no different to using an MPC1000 with your computer - the MPC will communicate with your computer via the universal methods (e.g USB, MIDI etc). As an end user, it's unlikely that this MPC will allow you to install any additional software. The Windows OS is simply a ready-made host that allows the developers a quick way to roll out hardware. So mac users are not screwed, in the same way that they are not screwed that an MPC1000 uses 'Akai OS', not Mac OS.

Thanks for breaking that down. I think its dope. Seems to offer new possibilities.

MPC-Tutor wrote:

daftmunk wrote:i'm just a bit puzzled by the use of windows.. this sort of means mac users are screwed which would be fatal since most pro audio producers are on that platform..

Guys, you are misunderstanding the use of Windows here. Windows Embedded is simply an OS created with the sole purpose of allowing manufacturers to integrate a ready-made functioning OS to any hardware. It just saves them the hassle of creating their own propriatory OS. Once Windows Embedded is integrated into the hardware, the hardware developers develop an application to run seamlessly within it (the MPC application) and then it is CLOSED to any further software installations. It becomes a self contained system.

At this point, it does not mater one bit that the underlying OS is Windows, as basically as far as the end user is concerned, they only ever see the MPC application installed in it. This is no different to any EPOS or ATM machine you might use - most of them run Windows, but you are completely unaware of it as you only ever interact with the ATM software installed on top of it.

So it does not matter if you run Mac OS, Linux or Windows on your own computer. It's no different to using an MPC1000 with your computer - the MPC will communicate with your computer via the universal methods (e.g USB, MIDI etc). As an end user, it's unlikely that this MPC will allow you to install any additional software. The Windows OS is simply a ready-made host that allows the developers a quick way to roll out hardware. So mac users are not screwed, in the same way that they are not screwed that an MPC1000 uses 'Akai OS', not Mac OS.

agreed. you are right

@tutor: as the owner of 3 standalone MPC's (60/3000/2000) i perfectly understand how a standalone MPC operates within a computer setup.. HOWEVER there is nothing here to indicate that this new product will work in the same way.. obviously the on-board OS will allow it to work on standalone but i'd assume that akai would also allow the new unit to integrate with Renaissance software on your computer, similarly to the current Ren unit. At least I'd hope so because that would make it a real innovative product bridging the ITB/OTB paradigm.. making it best of both worlds.. basically you're ideal hybrid MPC. however if it's just a PC in MPC box, i'd take it as a step backwards and probably wouldn't be interested, especially considering it's potentially high price tag.. again however if it is that hybrid MPC i hope it is, then I've got hard time understanding how a Windows based OS would integrate on Mac OS..

daftmunk wrote:@tutor: as the owner of 3 standalone MPC's (60/3000/2000) i perfectly understand how a standalone MPC operates within a computer setup.. HOWEVER there is nothing here to indicate that this new product will work in the same way.. obviously the on-board OS will allow it to work on standalone but i'd assume that akai would also allow the new unit to integrate with Renaissance software on your computer, similarly to the current Ren unit. At least I'd hope so because that would make it a real innovative product bridging the ITB/OTB paradigm.. making it best of both worlds.. basically you're ideal hybrid MPC. however if it's just a PC in MPC box, i'd take it as a step backwards and probably wouldn't be interested, especially considering it's potentially high price tag.. again however if it is that hybrid MPC i hope it is, then I've got hard time understanding how a Windows based OS would integrate on Mac OS..

I think you got the idea but missing the point. Its still be a standalone MPC not a pc in a box unless your saying that because its using an windows base to build the O.S. on. Just like a 2000/2500/1000 etc it will still use a processor/memory/hardrive and have its own o.s. With that being said, a better processor than any MPC has ever seen and take more ram than any standalone mpc has ever seen with the right board. So the concept is basically the same minus the integration.

This MPC will have its own DAW embedded so you can possibly install vst's as well if done the way I think they are going. Don't get me wrong The REN will need to get to where they are going first but this is still a great move. Planning for the future is what any company need to do and for all the people who wants a standalone to integrate with a PC or MAC this is it.

Its still just a DEMO for now but as Pete has mentioned we still have 1.7/1.8/1.9 coming and for him to say that specifically says they did not abandon anything. We'll just have to wait to see.

I think it'll pan out but its up to AKAI to prove that first with 1.7. It will set the pace for sure among the true heads out there.

And Oh the pricetag Im sure will go up. That will be the deciding factor for us all.

BDRAKE wrote: I think you got the idea but missing the point. Its still be a standalone MPC not a pc in a box unless your saying that because its using an windows base to build the O.S. on. Just like a 2000/2500/1000 etc it will still use a processor/memory/hardrive and have its own o.s. With that being said, a better processor than any MPC has ever seen and take more ram than any standalone mpc has ever seen with the right board. So the concept is basically the same minus the integration.

how am i missing the point?! you're playing off semantics... Standalone MPC.. PC in a box.. yes they're essentially the same thing here... but the "minus the integration" is really the entire point i was making and incidentally is what you seem to be missing!

anyways i think it's a little premature to make claims on what/how this future MPC will operate, it very well may integrate with ren software which is what i'm hoping for (standalone AND daw hosting) one without the other doesn't make much sense to me.. but that's just my opinion

Chill My friends...let Me say it like this, the idea could be friggin awesome, designwise opinions varying but the downside of this, is that the current ren/studio is far from done, and we can tie a lot of conclusions of why they do this, and most of them don't paint a perfect picture, and it doesn't look good to have a highly anticipated and criticized product that didn't significantly improved or stabilized or even make full use of its hardware potential...for example qlinks, 4 midi outs...a global mixer multicore, multiple 32/64 plugins support (not having to use the 32 bit for certain plugins, 64 bits seems to be waaaaaaaay more stable) and I'm,gonna say it audio tracks, why not? Has 2 MIC inputs pricewise (of the product) should be possible....fx automation..
and also let me say this, I'm not watching at NI cuz I do not own their products, akai shouldn't implentend this to compete with NI... They should cuz they are AKAI....yes probably hard software wise....but if u have a brand name like this (and yes it started crumbling long time ago) but If you wanna play wanna bring something to the table whilst already having a biiiig ass brand name with a huge legacy...do it good...stay relevant love your consumers,stay in touch be open an approachable, accept their ideas help suggestions,and enable/help/guide them to make music so good people will recognize the mpc as I always did in the 90's..when I heard certain beats..or don't play at all......no half measures as mike ehrmantraut once said.....

and don't forget its been more then 2 years we gave m....

I keep saying this, I did not buy a toy but a serious production tool, for me the MAIN production tool....so is it unreasonable to keep akai to the promises that made me choose this product??

p'z and love and such


btw... What about a international beat battle NI vs Akai???
I noticed that with Tommy tench and Rokgod, their mpc ren beats sound better that the ones with machine...tommy even agrees with that.....btw no judgement love both of their sound anyway regardless but still....

(maybe fyi I did never worked with NI gear, i started with mmedit, fasttracker 2,Roland mc303 madtracker, reason untill reason 6...always looked with Great admiration and respect To mpc's when i saw m,and saw m in action Loves the sound, the rhythms specifically,but never dared to explore them,until this ren,and honestly from day 1! I felt it understood it,even the hardware accessibility,instant love....the combo with laptop worked as I dreamed for over 10 years,seriously always fantasized it might happen, first got the mpk years ago to use with reason and the pads gave me a bit of that mpc feel and i liked it.....and then the ren...loved it but the paste of developments and new functions are slow, and stability is dubious,still I have love good memories and nice feelings towards this renaissance, that's why its extra frustrating some times, nevermind probably too much info)
But serious if akai and Ni are down for it and make a commercial fest of it, to settle once and for all....(like le mans did with cars, own bragging right kinda ish) not too serious...respect everybody's gear and sound...no fan boy or hatemonger style.....
would be dope I think.... who's down

I like it
If they could power it with a laptop type battery I could use it on the toilet.

So what would everyone like to see in this type or a type of mpc from ports to software addons etc.
Maybe they could do a mac version and a windows version
But I'd like
Battery power
Wifi /Bluetooth
Thunderbolt for extra displays external drives

daftmunk wrote:how am i missing the point?! you're playing off semantics... Standalone MPC.. PC in a box.. yes they're essentially the same thing here... but the "minus the integration" is really the entire point i was making and incidentally is what you seem to be missing!

anyways i think it's a little premature to make claims on what/how this future MPC will operate, it very well may integrate with ren software which is what i'm hoping for (standalone AND daw hosting) one without the other doesn't make much sense to me.. but that's just my opinion

That really depends on what your idea of 'hybrid' and 'integration' actually means, and whether Akai see it, and implement it, the same way.

There is no reason they couldn't make a standalone MPC that can also operate MPC Software as a MIDI controller, in the same way that the MPC Renaissance and MPC Studio do, as the current MPC controllers are just sending MIDI commands into MPC Software from their pads/buttons/Q-Links, but that might not be what you have in mind as 'hybrid' and 'integration'.

MPCHolland053 wrote:btw... What about a international beat battle NI vs Akai???
I noticed that with Tommy tench and Rokgod, their mpc ren beats sound better that the ones with machine...tommy even agrees with that.....btw no judgement love both of their sound anyway regardless but still....

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Ive only made a few beats on the maschine studio actually so far, and they've all been kind of experimental just to get used to the maschine workflow again and get familiar with all the features, on the other hand I had the Ren for a year and a half and have used other mpcs, so I dont know if its fair to judge yet, personally I like the sound I'm getting out maschine and I like how my ideas are translating to beats, and there's so much the maschine does great. Theres like maybe 2 things I miss from the MPC thats not on maschine, but vice versa when I had the Ren there was about 50 things I was missing from maschine, if my mpc beats sound any better its most likely probably not bc of which device I'm using, NI/or Akai. It all depends on what drums you use, you're patterns, your sample/(s), instruments, etc...

Did Tommy Tench switch to a maschine studio also?

Your right i was Just thinking that u indeed just got the damn thing, and might be a bit unfair...maybe after a year u think the same or convinced me otherwise...
Tommy did the other way around I believe, he had a custom Mk?? And went for the ren, he might have the studio nowadays.....but maybe check his YouTube his NI Beats are really nice, but the renaissance beats are fire...
but your totally right also a matter of taste and opinion...
I'm gonna play with Ni studio in the music store next time...
but still that international beat battle would be sick!

Mike Boogie wrote:That's exactly what I was thinking... maybe they won't remove it, but implement it in a different and hopefully better, manner.

rookie wrote:Well, your from west Atlanta I understand why you would that way

As for this true remark, I will dignify this **** with a response...I'm sensitive.

MPCHolland053 wrote:Your right i was Just thinking that u indeed just got the damn thing, and might be a bit unfair...maybe after a year u think the same or convinced me otherwise...
Tommy did the other way around I believe, he had a custom Mk?? And went for the ren, he might have the studio nowadays.....but maybe check his YouTube his NI Beats are really nice, but the renaissance beats are fire...
but your totally right also a matter of taste and opinion...
I'm gonna play with Ni studio in the music store next time...
but still that international beat battle would be sick!

a lot of those beats are mixed up tho like mpc maschine mpc maschine its just the date i uploaded them, its not like their all straight mpc mpc mpc maschine, hit me up on pm ill tell u exactly which ones were on maschine and which ones were on thempc

daftmunk wrote:

BDRAKE wrote: I think you got the idea but missing the point. Its still be a standalone MPC not a pc in a box unless your saying that because its using an windows base to build the O.S. on. Just like a 2000/2500/1000 etc it will still use a processor/memory/hardrive and have its own o.s. With that being said, a better processor than any MPC has ever seen and take more ram than any standalone mpc has ever seen with the right board. So the concept is basically the same minus the integration.

how am i missing the point?! you're playing off semantics... Standalone MPC.. PC in a box.. yes they're essentially the same thing here... but the "minus the integration" is really the entire point i was making and incidentally is what you seem to be missing!

anyways i think it's a little premature to make claims on what/how this future MPC will operate, it very well may integrate with ren software which is what i'm hoping for (standalone AND daw hosting) one without the other doesn't make much sense to me.. but that's just my opinion

Nope let me not talk around what i mean this time....

Like I said I hear you, no semantics but my point is "so what" if its a better mpc then its a better mpc. The semantics in my opinion is pre judging a concept that has yet to touch the light of day....but you know what? I agree with you when you say its premature to make claims...which is the point. We are both assuming in opposite directions. I think its interesting and promising and it seems you think a little less of it which you are entitled to feel that way.