Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
By SP1200 Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:15 pm
hi guys, was not here for a long time but instead learnig playing and enjoying the 4k :)

it goes so deep i mean the modulation matrix and the internal midi chain i can play with it for years to come and still learning new things.

anyway i have one question for ya: i implement in my music making a thing that i change while the sequence/sample is playing the starting point of a sample in the trim page by simply owerwrite the position by entering numbers, 0 is the begining and i write random numbers which in some situations make the sequence new and interesting. Is there a way i can get more control over it without entering the trim page or make more samples of that one sound with diferent starting point? I thinking in directions to somehow control the start point over q links or somehow use the slices/zones that will be placed at the right times of that one samples and i could change them or triger them somehow from the sequence or through midi commands?

i dont mind if i must do it manualy but somehow i get that feeling that this hell of a complex
maschine can actualy do almost everything but you have to first imagine the routing of parameters whitin the internal midi..

or it simply does not.. :mrgreen:

thanx
By jimfowler Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:25 am
if i understand you correctly, you're wanting to have "random" sample start points? off the top of my head, you can use an LFO to control ZONE SELECT and have 4 different start points per zone. all of this is in the PROGRAM MODULATION window.

hopefully someone will be along to correct me, but i'm not sure you can assign an LFO to sample start location (this is very easy to do in ableton live sampler, fwiw).

- jim
By dustymaestro Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:00 am
jimfowler wrote:if i understand you correctly, you're wanting to have "random" sample start points? off the top of my head, you can use an LFO to control ZONE SELECT and have 4 different start points per zone. all of this is in the PROGRAM MODULATION window.

hopefully someone will be along to correct me, but i'm not sure you can assign an LFO to sample start location (this is very easy to do in ableton live sampler, fwiw).

- jim


I was going to say the same thing. Mod matrix is calling your name.

You could also just make a bunch of copies.
By SP1200 Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:38 am
ok thanx! i will try it out.. i am sure the modulation matrix is the way to go but i was hopin somenoe give me a hint .. LFO can work becasue i can manage to get it work in terms of 1/8 1/16 etc. of the sequence :nod:
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By Coz Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:05 pm
SP1200 wrote:i don't mind if i must do it manualy but somehow i get that feeling that this hell of a complex maschine can actualy do almost everything but you have to first imagine the routing of parameters whitin the internal midi.



Sysex is the key to really advanced control.

If someone can crack this and make it idiot proof (ideally putting it in an app) I'll buy them a beer. :smoker:


By dustymaestro Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:53 am
SP1200 wrote:hi guys, was not here for a long time but instead learnig playing and enjoying the 4k :)

it goes so deep i mean the modulation matrix and the internal midi chain i can play with it for years to come and still learning new things.

anyway i have one question for ya: i implement in my music making a thing that i change while the sequence/sample is playing the starting point of a sample in the trim page by simply owerwrite the position by entering numbers, 0 is the begining and i write random numbers which in some situations make the sequence new and interesting. Is there a way i can get more control over it without entering the trim page or make more samples of that one sound with diferent starting point? I thinking in directions to somehow control the start point over q links or somehow use the slices/zones that will be placed at the right times of that one samples and i could change them or triger them somehow from the sequence or through midi commands?

i dont mind if i must do it manualy but somehow i get that feeling that this hell of a complex
maschine can actualy do almost everything but you have to first imagine the routing of parameters whitin the internal midi..

or it simply does not.. :mrgreen:

thanx



Blue Haze wrote:First, I simply layer my samples in Program>KG>Zones.

Next I go to Zone 2 -4>Start and add different values>1000 through 2000.

Then go to edit1>Program Modulation page.

From here I set up EXT1>ZONES 2-4 START>100 DEPTH

EXT2>ZONES 2-4 TUNE>100 DEPTH

EXT3>ZONES 2-4 LEVEL>100 DEPTH

And etc for pan, filter if you wish. Finally I go to Q-LINK SETUP>Q1-Q3

PART >1

ASSIGN EACH QLINK>EXT1-EXT3

TYPE SET TO REPLACE (I have complete control),

RANGE> EXT1 controls Start>+000>+100

EXT2 controls Tune>-12>+12

EXT3 controls Level>-060>+000


Lastly record a sequence pattern and tweak your settings by ear from the main page.

Short and to the point.
By 313 studio tricks Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:29 pm
Coz wrote:
SP1200 wrote:i don't mind if i must do it manualy but somehow i get that feeling that this hell of a complex maschine can actualy do almost everything but you have to first imagine the routing of parameters whitin the internal midi.


Sysex is the key to really advanced control.

If someone can crack this and make it idiot proof (ideally putting it in an app) I'll buy them a beer. :smoker:




hell id PAY for that!

lets see if we can make this a reality for some ipad app like "tb midi stuff"... i suck at that tho. i dont suck at using it, just making it haha
By dustymaestro Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:01 am
crickets...































Somebody needs to make ipad apps. The next step would be to record all those messages into a sequence. That would be ill. You could go wild.
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By tsutek Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:03 am
When I get my 4K, I plan on doing some lemur templates for it. If yall can help me a lil bit on the sysex end, I don't see why we couldn't come up with something usable/interesting ;)

Still a few more agonizing days to wait for the package to arrive..
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By tsutek Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:12 am
IIRC lemur supports full MIDI sysex, no? You just need a MIDI interface that doesn't filter out the sysex with the iPad. Lots of sysex-based templates in the liine userlib.