NEWS Flash!! New MPC concept shown at Build 2014

fdodds wrote:pete tweeted this a few hours ago: https://twitter.com/petegoodliffe/statu ... 8358395904

"Today we welcome Lukasz to the team of excellent MPC developers. Be kind to him, he's going to work on some exciting stuff!"

so they're clearly dedicated to providing future updates to MPC software. Work on a new standalone mpc is good news for everyone. More hires working on polishing the software for a new product launch.

looking forward to see what he brings

24 pages in and no one has mentioned VST hosting? (I read 7 pages and then searched, maybe it's in there somewhere)

I really, really hope that's what they're working on. I know this is just me, but I think sample libraries from guys like Spectrasonics or other industry leaders jumping from Akai/roland/whatever format to computer format to eventually vst format is what killed hardware sampling in the wider sense. I know the lot of us like to plug in our vinyl and chop breaks or whatever, but it's a fairly small part of the whole "sound library" market, which includes everything from dudes sitting in bedrooms to hollywood composers.

Current hardware samplers (especially since the last pro ones are more than a decade old now) just can't compete with the scripting of say L.A. Scoring Strings or the guitars from AmpleSounds, the basses in Trillian, etc etc. When it comes to multi-sampling, vsts have such a clear advantage for programability, realism, etc etc, that it's ridiculous.

And this is just my guess, but phrase sampling seems to be doing less and less these days. It'll never die and is a true art form, but I don't hear as much of it in any genre as much as I did in say...1996.

I VERY recently jumped ship to the Maschine Studio for the sole reason that it provides me with a better library. The sequencer is such garbage and Akais sequencers, in comparrison, are like a Corvette against my moms 1994 Saturn, but for getting modern sound libraries, like hardware samplers used to offer, you pretty much have to go towards computers.


So, what I reeeeeeally want (for what it's worth, Akai, I'd buy 2) is for me to be able to get say...Massive or L.A. Socring Strings or for gods sake....Kontakt as a whole (or at least the libraries, I'll take my Z-series engine over Kontakts for my own sampling) inside of my MPC. I know it'll never replace a DAW, and no mpc should ever attempt that. It'd most likely be way too limited and Numark really isn't going to beat out Logic or Pro Tools. But having all of your sequencing taken care of, especially from Akai (who even Numark can't mess up Akais Sequencers TOO much...the best part of the 5k is the sequencer) while having all of that integrated into your MPC. Which you can then take with you for gigs and such and not have to worry about all the extra computer junk.


I know Akai reads these posts, so please don't take the lack of anyone mentioning the possibilities of this as a sign of what people don't want. If you want to skyrocket your product, in my opinion, as someone who's been in this market for 15 years now, this is your best path forward. Give me one machine to chop breaks, load up BFD and then finish it all off with your choice of plug in compressors, reverbs, whatever it is you want, all in your tried and true sequencing paradigm. No silly limits. No "one effect per program" or anything that just doesn't make sense anymore. The answers to y'all's problems are so dang obvious. Make an MPC4000 but by 2014 standards.

Like I said...I finally faced up no less than 2 weeks ago and got a Maschine. And I have yet to use it and not wish it was just an mpc with vst hosting. Professional sounds with professional sequencing, sampling and workflow is just a no brainer.


For gods sake.

manji wrote:24 pages in and no one has mentioned VST hosting? (I read 7 pages and then searched, maybe it's in there somewhere)

I really, really hope that's what they're working on.

I seems to be just putting MPC Software and the PC inside the MPC controller, so should host VSTs in the same way that MPC Software already does.

manji wrote:24 pages in and no one has mentioned VST hosting? (I read 7 pages and then searched, maybe it's in there somewhere)

I really, really hope that's what they're working on. I know this is just me, but I think sample libraries from guys like Spectrasonics or other industry leaders jumping from Akai/roland/whatever format to computer format to eventually vst format is what killed hardware sampling in the wider sense. I know the lot of us like to plug in our vinyl and chop breaks or whatever, but it's a fairly small part of the whole "sound library" market, which includes everything from dudes sitting in bedrooms to hollywood composers.

Current hardware samplers (especially since the last pro ones are more than a decade old now) just can't compete with the scripting of say L.A. Scoring Strings or the guitars from AmpleSounds, the basses in Trillian, etc etc. When it comes to multi-sampling, vsts have such a clear advantage for programability, realism, etc etc, that it's ridiculous.

And this is just my guess, but phrase sampling seems to be doing less and less these days. It'll never die and is a true art form, but I don't hear as much of it in any genre as much as I did in say...1996.

I VERY recently jumped ship to the Maschine Studio for the sole reason that it provides me with a better library. The sequencer is such garbage and Akais sequencers, in comparrison, are like a Corvette against my moms 1994 Saturn, but for getting modern sound libraries, like hardware samplers used to offer, you pretty much have to go towards computers.


So, what I reeeeeeally want (for what it's worth, Akai, I'd buy 2) is for me to be able to get say...Massive or L.A. Socring Strings or for gods sake....Kontakt as a whole (or at least the libraries, I'll take my Z-series engine over Kontakts for my own sampling) inside of my MPC. I know it'll never replace a DAW, and no mpc should ever attempt that. It'd most likely be way too limited and Numark really isn't going to beat out Logic or Pro Tools. But having all of your sequencing taken care of, especially from Akai (who even Numark can't mess up Akais Sequencers TOO much...the best part of the 5k is the sequencer) while having all of that integrated into your MPC. Which you can then take with you for gigs and such and not have to worry about all the extra computer junk.


I know Akai reads these posts, so please don't take the lack of anyone mentioning the possibilities of this as a sign of what people don't want. If you want to skyrocket your product, in my opinion, as someone who's been in this market for 15 years now, this is your best path forward. Give me one machine to chop breaks, load up BFD and then finish it all off with your choice of plug in compressors, reverbs, whatever it is you want, all in your tried and true sequencing paradigm. No silly limits. No "one effect per program" or anything that just doesn't make sense anymore. The answers to y'all's problems are so dang obvious. Make an MPC4000 but by 2014 standards.

Like I said...I finally faced up no less than 2 weeks ago and got a Maschine. And I have yet to use it and not wish it was just an mpc with vst hosting. Professional sounds with professional sequencing, sampling and workflow is just a no brainer.


For gods sake.

i can relate to this

masada2502 wrote:

manji wrote:24 pages in and no one has mentioned VST hosting? (I read 7 pages and then searched, maybe it's in there somewhere)

I really, really hope that's what they're working on. I know this is just me, but I think sample libraries from guys like Spectrasonics or other industry leaders jumping from Akai/roland/whatever format to computer format to eventually vst format is what killed hardware sampling in the wider sense. I know the lot of us like to plug in our vinyl and chop breaks or whatever, but it's a fairly small part of the whole "sound library" market, which includes everything from dudes sitting in bedrooms to hollywood composers.

Current hardware samplers (especially since the last pro ones are more than a decade old now) just can't compete with the scripting of say L.A. Scoring Strings or the guitars from AmpleSounds, the basses in Trillian, etc etc. When it comes to multi-sampling, vsts have such a clear advantage for programability, realism, etc etc, that it's ridiculous.

And this is just my guess, but phrase sampling seems to be doing less and less these days. It'll never die and is a true art form, but I don't hear as much of it in any genre as much as I did in say...1996.

I VERY recently jumped ship to the Maschine Studio for the sole reason that it provides me with a better library. The sequencer is such garbage and Akais sequencers, in comparrison, are like a Corvette against my moms 1994 Saturn, but for getting modern sound libraries, like hardware samplers used to offer, you pretty much have to go towards computers.


So, what I reeeeeeally want (for what it's worth, Akai, I'd buy 2) is for me to be able to get say...Massive or L.A. Socring Strings or for gods sake....Kontakt as a whole (or at least the libraries, I'll take my Z-series engine over Kontakts for my own sampling) inside of my MPC. I know it'll never replace a DAW, and no mpc should ever attempt that. It'd most likely be way too limited and Numark really isn't going to beat out Logic or Pro Tools. But having all of your sequencing taken care of, especially from Akai (who even Numark can't mess up Akais Sequencers TOO much...the best part of the 5k is the sequencer) while having all of that integrated into your MPC. Which you can then take with you for gigs and such and not have to worry about all the extra computer junk.


I know Akai reads these posts, so please don't take the lack of anyone mentioning the possibilities of this as a sign of what people don't want. If you want to skyrocket your product, in my opinion, as someone who's been in this market for 15 years now, this is your best path forward. Give me one machine to chop breaks, load up BFD and then finish it all off with your choice of plug in compressors, reverbs, whatever it is you want, all in your tried and true sequencing paradigm. No silly limits. No "one effect per program" or anything that just doesn't make sense anymore. The answers to y'all's problems are so dang obvious. Make an MPC4000 but by 2014 standards.

Like I said...I finally faced up no less than 2 weeks ago and got a Maschine. And I have yet to use it and not wish it was just an mpc with vst hosting. Professional sounds with professional sequencing, sampling and workflow is just a no brainer.


For gods sake.

i can relate to this

The way Komplete products integrate with Maschine is heavenly. I just use Maschine with my Mpcs.

That's kind of where I'm at with it, using the two together. It's kind of just a sound module/effect rack at this point, I still use my mpc to sequence it and all my other stuff.


And yeah, I agree with whoever said the thing about the Ren software. Realistically, I imagine it'll be a port of some kind of the existing mpc software developed specifically for that machine.

manji wrote:the best part of the 5k is the sequencer

bs! no, it´s not! david lackey of innerclock systems has measured its tightness. here´s the disappointing outcome (os2)...

Pattern Mode/Cycle - Internal Sync
Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
138 Samples [2.87ms]

Song Mode - Internal Sync
Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
138 Samples [2.87ms]

Pattern Mode/Cycle - External Sample Accurate Midi Clock
Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
138 Samples [2.87ms]

Song Mode - External Sample Accurate Midi Clock
Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
69 Samples [1.44ms]

http://www.innerclocksystems.com/New%20 ... itmus.html (scroll down)

also be aware of the following...

WaterHead wrote:For the test I used a drumloop sequence I created in the MPC5000. I used the same Logic project to test with MPC OS 1.02 and OS 2.00. What you will hear in the following audio data is the MPC's sequencer triggering drum sounds of Kore Player in Logic. The sequence was created in the MPC and is fully quantized. [...] Results: You will notice that with OS 2.0 the sync is off the whole time, while with OS 1.02 it just takes a slight moment to catch up and will stay tight. Personally, I am going back to OS 1.02.
viewtopic.php?p=1176177#p1176177

seiko wrote:I uploaded a small Movie how my MPC reacts when scrolling through different Programs (with 64 samples each) while a sequence is running (only 30 MB of samples loaded, 192MB installed). I just sequenced a 4x4 beat so it will be clear that the scrolling
1) locks up the Gui
2) timing/sync is completely lost !
This is behaviour in V2.0, 1.2 is reacting much better...but I want to be able to use V2.0 !!
viewtopic.php?p=1067459#p1067459

the best part of the 5k is the synth!!!

I own the 5K, and I can say that the synth isn't that great, nor is it very bad!

It has no worldclock, so the lack of syncing in the milliseconds is self explanatory.

Pete do you know if this new mpc can run vsts?

new mpc can run vsts?

i don´t give a damn sh*t about that.
i outsource every single sound.

GNRFAMZT wrote:

new mpc can run vsts?

i don´t give a damn sh*t about that.
i outsource every single sound.

you have one? how is it?

just a matter of weeks. i´m in the process of haggling the price down a bit further.



i tried it at the shop. very impressive, latency-wise imo. depeche mode use them all the time on the road.

nice

GNRFAMZT wrote:

new mpc can run vsts?

i don´t give a damn sh*t about that.
i outsource every single sound.

Some people probably do give a shit about it, even if you don't.

Integrated within the MPC Project, bounces down within the Project without having to track in separately, access to the full VST interface, possibly sample accurate, etc.

I have no idea why Akai are now jumping on board Microsoft's latest stab at embedded. Okay, if it's so embedded that it's merely something to place a typical MPC interface on top of, that's okay. No one cares what's under the hood.

But here's how to do something 'stand alone' enough to satisfy most of the market - just port the MPC software engine from the Ren to iOS.

The latest hardware would run it fine I'm sure and there'd be project compatibility, so you could bring things over to the Mac/PC to add VSTs and things not possible on iOS.

On the Ren 2, have a nice universal stand (use standard USB/camera connection kit) able to hold an iPhone or iPad firmly in place.

Going this route would likely mean the existing Ren/Studio would be compatible too and not make those who adopted those products are left out in the cold.