Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By Remedial Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:20 am
Okay, I'll be picking up an M-Audio Quattro Interface pretty soon and wanted to know how I'd go about recording output from my VST's (EVP78, Sampletank) onto my MPC sequences. I'm thinking I could just open up a program like Fruity, open the VST, and just record my playing of the VST as straight audio onto my MPC. I'm guessing that would be the easiest way, but just wanted to know if there is another option? Like I've heard about syncing the MPC to Cubase. What advantage does that have?
By Madness Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:04 am
I have been trying to do this myself....

It really depends on what style of music you are making and what kind of sampling you want to achieve.???? Because the sample time is pretty short on the MPCyou are going to be limited by how many VSTi parts you can sample!!! I generally sample VSTi at the very end. I usually sample efx loops, or bass riffs, Or Chord hits, or something not long and extended that can be looped easily in the MPC. If I need complex mellodies I will use the external sound source for that.

I generally get a loop going on my MPC of drums and precussion of 4bars. Then I sync Cubase to my MPC so it stays in time with midi clock. It matches BPM only. The reason I do this is I use and external MIDI module that has BPM based effects, so when I use it live with out a PC, I need the MPC to be the master sync clock source.

Then I build on my loop in Cubase recording all midi parts into CUBASE from my controller keyboard....I record either VSTi or my external module...then I will have midi tracks for each part in cubase which are sent to the MIDI IN on the MPC which are then sent to my External Midi Module. Once I am happy with the part I arm that track on the MPC Record it to the corresponding MPC track I rename the track to the patch on the module....Now that track will play on the module when I disconnect the PC>

Once I have a Virtual Instrument track I like, I will add a few insert efx, use some efx automation (I love that feature in SX) add compression and spice it up to the maximum with heavy Eq. So it sounds like its going to fit with the mpc well (I will always eq again through my external mixer if needed after comming out of the mpc)

Once I am happy with it I will bounce it to an Audio Track within Cubase...then export the sound file....I will then open the file in SoundForge and crop or trim the sound, some times I will change the loop points and see if something cool come out of it...Usually not...

I will then import the Sound into the original project in Cubase into Halion....Assign the sample to a note where I want it...and the same note number that it will eventually end up on within the MPC...I will then draw the notes how I want them or play it with the keyboard...I make sure its working and sounding tight...I might go back into sound forge if its not working and start again.... I then record that midi data onto my MPC and give it a new track....Then I copy the file onto Zip and load it into the mpc...I assign the sample to the note/pad....and now that VSTi sound is rocking with the rest of the track....I often use two copies of the sound so I can have a filtered lower volume version running behind vocals or in the chorus if need be..

I will send all sounds to seperate outs on my Mixer....And may add some dist, delay, reverb once I take it live liven it up a bit...Then i will send the whole mix through a compressor and limiter and often send it back into cubase if I wan't to compose and finalise...

PS: You could easily record your VSTi into your MPC directly from your MPC output then use the internal sample trimming functions. However you should bounce down to audio within cubase...Because the sound of the VSTi is often lower quality and you need the cubase algorithms used at when rendering to audio to get the best quality you can..

Peace,
Madness.

Then I copyt
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By Remedial Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:43 pm
Great tips. A lot of the stuff that you're talking about might be a little too complicated for me or really just more than I need. What module are you using where you can dump modified sounds back into it? Now that I think about it, I guess you're just making new user presets. Guess I'll just have to go through my Cubase manual to find out how to sync.

Madness wrote:I have been trying to do this myself....


PS: You could easily record your VSTi into your MPC directly from your MPC output then use the internal sample trimming functions. However you should bounce down to audio within cubase...Because the sound of the VSTi is often lower quality and you need the cubase algorithms used at when rendering to audio to get the best quality you can..



This is what I'm talking about here. I'm really not trying to do anything too complex. Just record VSTi sounds onto the MP. I don't really want to get too far into messing with Cubase, because that'll just take me farther away from my goal of just getting some beats done. The only other thing I would probably want to use Cubase for is recording my tracks after I'm done. That's about it. Maybe to add a few effects. Last time I messed with Cubase, I spent like three days just trying to get through the Getting Started Manual. And, since I have messed with it in a while, I will probably have to revist that (and with the little bit of free time I have these days, that's not something I'm looking forward to).

So, if you could tell me where in the manual (or explain, if you feel up to it) I could go to find out how to bounce down to audio in Cubase, I'd really appreciate it.

By LSA100X Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:37 pm
in a fully loaded MPC u get about 300 seconds on sample time.....i have a roland vsr that i use to dump the sounds in, and then i sample from the vst to the mpc......u don't have to worry about BPM's and all of that stuff...u just hook up your pc like you would a sound module....make the appropriate midi settings in whatever program u use.....and your ready to go.......i'm not sure how to do it if u have just an mpc and a computer......i think on some soundcards you can connect the output to the input and record it....if u don't have a standalone recorder u can also use another sampler instaed.....it's not really that complicated...i then run the soundfs thru an eq and some effects and there u have it......1....2....3.....
By Madness Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:27 am
Ok Remedial....

This is the easyest way to export your Cubase SX VST instruments into samples to use in your MPC!!!!!

Open your SX project with a MIDI track with your controller keyboard as the midi IMPUT and your VST instrument set to the output. Play your VST instrument and record the track using the MIDI sequencer of SX. Set the LEFT AND RIGHT LOCATOR bars around the sequence you want. Use the Master Channel on the MIXER found under the DEVICES menu to increase the volume to a high level. MUTE all tracks you don't want to render to wav file. Select FILE menu> EXPORT > AUDO from the menu list....and chose the location of the file you want to save.

Copy this file to a ZIP disk and copy it over to your MPC.
(I edit it in sound forge first)


LOAD the sample as you normally would!!!!!

Thats it....

You can figure out the midi sync...Try reading the MPC manual its very helpful to start understanding Midi Sync Setups....

Peace,
Madness.