By SimonInAustralia
Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:44 pm
Chillin wrote:The calculation may or not be the same. But I am starting to think that it may has to do with the hardware, and how the currents are wired. A few milliseconds of in electric currency can make a noticeable difference.
It would probably be a difference in the way the OS works itself, and the way it interacts with the hardware, not electrical current.
It might also be affected by the way each particular MPC handles playing back simultaneous events/notes, as MPCs are MIDI sequencers, and MIDI is a serial protocol, which can only send/receive one message at a time, and therefore when multiple MIDI note on/off messages are sent/received at once, they are played back one after the other, not at exactly the same time, there can be a millisecond or two between simultaneous MIDI notes/events.
This has been tested and found with the playback of simultaneous events in the MPC3000 sequencer, and is most likely similar in other MPC models.
This makes it more difficult and complex to test, in terms of recording the audio output of the MPC, as it will behave differently when playing more complex sequences with multiple events occuring at exacly the same time, versus a simple test sequence with a single event being triggered at once (such as a simple 1/16 hi hat pattern, for example).
Chillin wrote:SimonInAustralia wrote:I have no problem with the feature request at all, just the reference to it being from 'that of older MPCs'. There are many different older MPCs, but I think only one with a realtime swing preview, the MPC4000.
Would it matter if you had problems with any of my requests? (Sarc)
And no, I didn't say that realtime swing preview is in multiple MPC's. I wrote that it is only in the MPC4000, as of. Suggesting it for the new MPC-software.
Wouldn't matter at all, but it seems to matter to you.
It doesn't really make sense to me that realtime swing preview would need to be some sort of vintage mode, it would just be a change to the way the Timing Correct function currently works, allowing you to preview it with a playing sequence, with different settings, before selecting Do It to apply the Timing Correct settings to the sequencer track.
New vintage modes might be applicable if you were to implement the particular sequencer timing differences of the different MPC models.
You actually referred to 'older MPCs' originally, and specified only the MPC4000 later on.
Chillin wrote:SimonInAustralia wrote:Well perhaps you shouldn't use what he says in that interview to try and support your belief that there is a difference in swing between MPC models, if he doesn't actually say that?
But what he says in that interview is the core essential to this technology/ algorithms.
And even in that interview the same question was being asked. Is there difference.
Many have wondered about this, since they have experienced a noticeable difference.
The only people who truly know, are those who were part of the development itself. Because those increments we see, don't have to correlate with the actual algorithms.
But are people experiencing a difference in the swing calcuation, or overall sequencer timing differences?
The only people who truly know are those who have bothered to do detailed side by side comparisons/testing.
Those increments we see, in terms of the positions of where the MPC sequencer events are moved to when the Timing Correct function is used, do have to correlate with the actual algorithms. The positions of where the sequencer events are moved to are a direct result of the actual algorithms, it is a simple calculation, and repeatable exactly at the same settings, when moving events in the same locations.
Last edited by SimonInAustralia on Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:53 pm, edited 4 times in total.
