Swing % in Double Time

Sup y'all, haven't posted on here in a minute.. I had a question maybe someone knew the answer to. When you're working in double time, does the Swing % on the MPC double as well? Let's say I'm working at a BPM of 80 with a Swing of 58 %... If I double time my BPM to 160, does my Swing % double to 66% ? I was just curious about that.. Thanks y'all!

Lampdog wrote:No, swing follows the bpm but the percentage of swing doesn't double.

Thanks OG... I figured it wouldn't double since Swing only shifts notes off the grid, but just wasn't sure.. Guess I didn't think it through.

If you use double time programming to get better sequencer resolution, but want your sequence to sound/feel the same...

80 BPM becomes 160 BPM. Thats the easy part.

The sequencer resolution (effectively) doubles...so that killer 2 bar drum loop is programmed over 4 bars.

The Quantize or Timing Correct value halves...so your 1/16 notes become 1/8 notes and your 1/8 notes become 1/4 notes.

The swing percentage (58% on 1/16 notes) becomes 58% on 1/8 notes.

Any SP1200 users will know that double time programming, with TC at 1/8 and Swing at 67-71% is pretty much standard boom bap theory. You MUST program in double time on the SP to get it cracking. MPC's have far better sequencers so double time programming isn't a necessity like it is with the SP.

A good tip for beginners to double time programming is to set your metronome to 1/4 notes (pretty standard), and then use those clicks to lay down your 1/8 note hi hats. Or use the 3rd and 7th metronome clicks for your snares (to emulate the 2nd and 4th beat normally used).

I hope that was the answer you were after, and more.

Peace.

Clint wrote:You MUST program in double time on the SP to get it cracking.

Not true. It is one technique but its very possible to get *that* swing going at normal BPM, 16T. I never programme in double time.

Hope that helps.

i hardly program in double time either

Shostakovich wrote:

Clint wrote:You MUST program in double time on the SP to get it cracking.

Not true. It is one technique but its very possible to get *that* swing going at normal BPM, 16T.

Just my opinion, not the law.

Hope that helps.

Clint wrote:Clint wrote:
Just my opinion, not the law.

"You MUST [emphasis yours]... to get it cracking" is a statement of fact rather than opinion.

In this case, your statement in incorrect. As it is very possible to "get it cracking" without the double tempo.

Now, had you said "One way to get it cracking is to use the double tempo trick..." you would still be making a factual statement. The difference being you wouldn't have been discounting other methods. As such, that statement would have been correct.

The problem with making false statements is that they lead to misinformation.

Ok, whatever you say.

Have a nice day!

Clint wrote:Ok, whatever you say.

Great. Glad we could clear that up.

Have a nice day!

You too.