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By 90sboombap Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:34 pm
First of all, greetings everyone. This is my first post here. So.. here are my questions.

I got akai s950 and i want to implement into my setup (turntable, akai mpc 2000)
I did not mentioned mixer because i need to get new one.

1.Could you fellas suggest me good mixer, which will be suited for my setup.
Its clear that his OUT will go to my speakers.

2. I am so confused when it is comes to wiring the turntable, s950 and mpc 2000 and mixer. And here i need the big help. Could you explain me how to wire all the things in the best way.
I will be so thankful to everyone, even few words will be helpful to me.
Thank you very much !
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By Matriks Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:52 pm
First: Hi! Welcome my friend from the 90ie's :wink:

1. What Kind of mixer do you want to use? DJ-mixer? If you only have Chinch-Outs you need an amplifier too..
In a low Price range I would suggest you products from dj-tech, the newer Mixers DIF-1S / DIF-1M or DIF-4S are nice.
I'm very satisfied with the Ecler 360 / 380 with Eternal Faders. Best mixers you can get for the price.
You have to choose between 2-Channel an 4-Channel Mixers. Most of the time a 2-channel is sufficient.

2. Wiring at the mixer:
- Turntables: Phono In
- s950 / MPC 2000: Line In (Switch from phono to line when u use these)
- Out: To your Speakers

Hope that I could help a Little..
By Clint Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:40 pm
The wiring setup above is incomplete.

How do you sample without an input to the samplers?

Use the mixer aux out, some type of send or other mixer output to each sampler.

So welcome, and good luck!
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By Wal Martian Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:14 am
There's a few ways you could set it up, it depends how you want to use each piece of equipment. The classic setup is MIDI out from the MPC to MIDI in on the s950. Turntable into mixer into the Line level sample input on the s950. The s950 outputs will have to go to your speakers/interface/mixer. Sample into the s950 and chop the sounds. Use the MPC sequencer and pads to trigger and sequence the sounds in the s950.
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By 90sboombap Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:32 am
Matriks , Lampdog, Clint, Wal Martian thank you very much for response and greetings to all of you!
I think that i get the idea. But i still have some questions and new ones appear, so i will be thankful for your help!

1. MIDI out from the MPC to MIDI in on the s950. This is clear.

2. Turntable to s950. Here are my new questions.

So... like i understand the main sample became s950 and mpc will be used only for triggering samples? Am I right? Correct me if I am wrong.

Now i have 2 channel mixer which I used for scratching on turntable. I am going to buy new mix console. People suggested me to buy something from yamaha. Some of them suggested me to buy Yamaha MG124CX, but im not really sure that this is good choice. Could fellas please help me to choose something good.
When i buy mix console my next step is to wire turntable with his mixer into the s950.
SO is it possible to wire turntable mixer to MAIN mix console then to S950, in this way i could just listen records or just scratching without plug/unplugged cables. How should wire it like that?

Excuse me if my questions are silly but now im really confused.
I just want to set up everything like old days. I really like 90s flavour.
I want to thank you again for that you are helping me! This mean a lot for me! Thank you fellas!
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By Wal Martian Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:13 pm
Yes that would work too. Hook up your turntable into your DJ mixer phono input then the Main outs of the DJ mixer to the mix console. If your DJ mixer has more than 1 set of line outs (i.e. Main, booth) you could send the main output to your console and the aux out such as booth out to your s950. Again, there are a number of ways to wire all the gear you have.
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By jibber Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:43 pm
What is your budget for the mixer?
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By 90sboombap Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:32 pm
Wal Martian thank you very much fella, this quetion is cleared.

jibber I didnt think about it, may be something at mid range prises. I preffer to buy mixer that I will not regret buying it in future. The only mixer that i checked for now is yamaha MG102.
I really want mixer that will keep "clear" 12bit sound of s950. I mean ..

My point is that after the productions is done and after it is rocorded i want to hear that crunchy dusty 12bit sound.
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By jibber Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:19 pm
It's a good mindset, not to buy twice.

I use various Yamaha mixers from the MG line at work for conferences, i use them together with wireless mics and pa-speakers, etc... they sound ok, really couldn't complain much, but they don't sound "impressive" or especially "nice".

When i first bought a mixer for private use, i got a mackie onyx 1640i, which to my ears, sounded much nicer compared to the yamahas i used at work. It wasn't night and day, but the preamps in the mackie did sound better, had nicer EQs and maybe the channels had a little less noise.

Now i bought a used midas venice mixer, and again it sounds nicer than the mackie, with better preamps (better preamps generally means you can overdrive them better without getting ugly distortion quick), better EQs, and definately a lot less noise on the channels.

Cheapest is the Yamaha, Mackie in the middle, Midas on top (i paid less for the midas than the mackie however, since i bought the mackie new, and the midas used). Like with most material things, if they are made equally good, the one with the more expensive components will sound/perform/last better.

Today i would probably get an allen&heath or soundcraft mixer instead of the mackie... it's a good mixer, but mine had a broken channel after two years and from what i read, the A&H and soundcraft contenders sound nice!

The midas is certainly another world. If you like to buy used, the venice series are somewhere between 1000-2000 bucks. You can get the new midas F-series for around 2000 bucks brand new, but those are made by behringer essentially (they bought midas), which i'm hesitant to trust (since they also produce cheap garbage products).

The ultimate question is: How "clean" do you like your mixer? It's not always a benefit... a little noise can be nice sometimes, especially for 90's Hip Hop.
There's many people who use old mackie mixers with SP1200s, especially in the house music scene i think people like how the preamps of the mackie mixers sound when you overdrive them a little... i must admit personally i noticed this too on the mackie onyx, you can't overdrive the preamps a lot, but there's a sweet spot that is real nice on drums (and other things)... it's not bad for oldschool Hip Hop sounding stuff either.

I would never want to go back to the mackie from the midas however, there is other ways to add noise... :-D

If you would like a solid mixer that sounds decent and will last for some years to come, i'd recommend a mackie, A&H or soundcraft... always think like this no matter the brand: entry level = cheap and bad sound quality, mid level = solid and good sound, everything above is nice to have but not really needed to make good quality music.

Another question is if you want analogue or digital. I've heard good things about the yamaha digital mixers, and used a few for work that belonged to hotels, they sounded nice.

Good luck i guess... :mrgreen:
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By 90sboombap Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:10 pm
Thank you very much for detailed answer jibber.Tthis mean a lot.

so... I checked some mackies. mackie 802VLZ4 is the one I liked. It is from "low"models but it`s seem to be functional and good choice for my need. What do you think about it?

I have one question. We talked with Wal Martian about this thing but I need to discuss this thing again with all of you. So.. I want to wire turtable to s950. I want to listen records without s950 be ON I dont want always when I want to listen records to rewire something on the mixer. How this could happen?

It will be something like that but im not sure how exacly will happen.

Turntable will be wired to his own mixer (which im using for scratches). Turntable mixer will be wired to MAIN mixer and from MAIN mixer i will return turntable signal to S950. How this could happen? I am so confused.

So if we are looking this image:Image



how could I wired in way that I want and is it even posible with this mixer (on picture)


I want to excuse me if I sound silly but I really need help with this one. I will be so thankfull if someone help me to understand the corect way to do this wiring for turntable.
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By jibber Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:58 pm
There's several ways.

You connect the dj-mixer output to one of the stereo channel inputs on the mixer (3-4, 5-6, 7-8), then you press the MAIN/3-4alt button on the respective channel to send it to the alternative out group. Connect a cable from that output (ALT out) to the S950 or whatever other thing you want to use to sample. Or you could connect the dj-mixer output to the tape input of the mixer, then use the tape output to connect to the S950 and other samplers. You could use the control room output, etc... there's many ways, you have to find what works best for you. Last but not least, be wary of feedback loops.

The mackie will be fine, personally i'd get an ONYX model (much nicer preamps).
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By SimonInAustralia Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:32 pm
Also depends on the DJ mixer that you use, it might have more than one output, so you could send one output from the DJ mixer into the Mackie, and the other output from the DJ mixer into the S950.

Or, you might want to use the Aux Send from the mixer into the S950, so that you can mix the left and right channels from the turntable into a single mono output for the mono input on the S950.
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By 90sboombap Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:48 am
jibber,SimonInAustralia thank you once again for answers and for the advices. Yestarday I found another mixer in the shop. The mixer is Soundcraft EPM8. Anybody here who is using soundcraft mixer?

This is the mixer
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What is your opinion for soundcraft? Thank you very much.