Pads selects sample?

Peace, this is my first post here. I am currently a maschine user that is about to pull the trigger on a Ren at any moment. What is stopping me is not being able to demo one at the moment. The question that I have is about the sample chopping process on the Ren. My current workflow for maschine is as follows...

1. i record the sample into maschine.
2. I duplicate that sample onto all 16 pads.
3. by selecting the appropriate pad I proceed to adjust the start point for each sample on each pad(if I choose to use that many).

What I basically do is chop manually and I wanted to know if this is possible on the Ren? Can i hit a pad and have it show its corresponding waveform. I NEVER use autochop so this is kind of a big deal for me. Thanks

hmm

you load up a sample on ren and you have 3 options. to chop by bpm, thresh hold, and regions. regions being the number of pads. anything from 1 to 114 i think? there is 8 pad banks. i suck at math. but you can adjust the start and end poin on the chop. you can also link/unlink the chops.

So you can't go to the "sample edit" page and have the waveform follow the pad you hit so you can adjust the start/end points of the duplicated sample?

yea

each region is attached to a pad..which is 1 to 16. then you can select the start and end poin on it.

Bain wrote:Peace, this is my first post here. I am currently a maschine user that is about to pull the trigger on a Ren at any moment. What is stopping me is not being able to demo one at the moment. The question that I have is about the sample chopping process on the Ren. My current workflow for maschine is as follows...

1. i record the sample into maschine.
2. I duplicate that sample onto all 16 pads.
3. by selecting the appropriate pad I proceed to adjust the start point for each sample on each pad(if I choose to use that many).

What I basically do is chop manually and I wanted to know if this is possible on the Ren? Can i hit a pad and have it show its corresponding waveform. I NEVER use autochop so this is kind of a big deal for me. Thanks

You can go to akai pro's website and download the entire mpc 1.7.1 program. It will run in demo mode. The only thing locked is the audio will time out after 10 minutes.

The way you duplicate pads and edit in maschine doesn't work quite the same in MPC. If I am remembering correctly, the mpc actually makes a copy of the entire sample each time you copy the pad. Maybe someone will chime in and elaborate, I don't remember fully.

you can do what your asking but not as quick as Maschina
in the Ren you have to copy the sample say 16 x for 16 pads
then adjust the start and end markers
what your describing in Maschina i would like to see in the Ren as an option

i also like to adjustment to the markers throughout the whole wave while a sequence is playing to find suitable parts rather than chopping.you can do that in the Ren.

there is chop option where the markers are non destructive that is another way to work. pad copy function does not actually copy the sample, so at the moment pad copy is only useful in terms of parameter changes not marker edits that needs to be sorted out. the way machine assigns to pads and edits is more efficient at the moment.
if Akai can incorporate that in sample edit then we are gonna have smoking fast editing which i would like but no everybody works this way so it doesn't seem priority feature so we will have to wait and see.
i watched Ski video of him doing exactly what you describe on maschina it was super
efficient. i was a bit jealous

kaydigi wrote:

Bain wrote:

You can go to akai pro's website and download the entire mpc 1.7.1 program. It will run in demo mode. The only thing locked is the audio will time out after 10 minutes.

The way you duplicate pads and edit in maschine doesn't work quite the same in MPC. If I am remembering correctly, the mpc actually makes a copy of the entire sample each time you copy the pad. Maybe someone will chime in and elaborate, I don't remember fully.

Thanks for recommending downloading the demo, I didn't know they had one. This was a big help and now I see how different it is than Maschine in terms of how it handles audio.

Iron Leg wrote:you can do what your asking but not as quick as Maschina
in the Ren you have to copy the sample say 16 x for 16 pads
then adjust the start and end markers
what your describing in Maschina i would like to see in the Ren as an option

i also like to adjustment to the markers throughout the whole wave while a sequence is playing to find suitable parts rather than chopping.you can do that in the Ren.

there is chop option where the markers are non destructive that is another way to work. pad copy function does not actually copy the sample, so at the moment pad copy is only useful in terms of parameter changes not marker edits that needs to be sorted out. the way machine assigns to pads and edits is more efficient at the moment.
if Akai can incorporate that in sample edit then we are gonna have smoking fast editing which i would like but no everybody works this way so it doesn't seem priority feature so we will have to wait and see.
i watched Ski video of him doing exactly what you describe on maschina it was super
efficient. i was a bit jealous

Thanks. I have been using Maschine and ableton lately but when I went to GC to try out some midi controllers I noticed that they had a Ren on display. I had admit that it feels 1000x better than the Maschine controllers, very solid. On the other hand maschine handles chopping and sample duplicating 100 years beyond the Ren. I don't understand why akai would code the software to work like this. I understand that they were trying to keep the workflows consistent with the hardware mpc'S but people never loved the old mpc for how it sampled so why implement this archaic workflow.

It's annoying that you have to "Rename " a sample just to get them on the 16 pads. I'm going to buy it and pray that they change this in the near future. Ableton also works like Maschine when it comes to sample handling.

I just figured out that I can open battery 4 (vst) in the Ren and use that to chop my samples and use the Ren for drums.

Well the reason why its like that is because it's based on the classic OS but that framework was restricted by processing power when designed. bit like a filing cabinet you can only open one draw at a time.
now that's all changed as computers have been able to do much more at the same time so it does change work-flow, easy for the likes of Mashina to start with a blank canvas (but hey the still managed to mess that up initially and they had a mpc blueprint to work off.) But really its only going to take a few clever tweaks in the software to bring it up to speed. At the moment your probably better slicing the samples with crop samples off then you can go back into sample edit while the sequence is playing and adjust the your start and end points.it's a good time to join the party.i think you'll manage fine without battery.no you don't have rename anything.i never waste time rename anything. there's a video about batch renaming any way if thats you bag.

Iron Leg wrote:Well the reason why its like that is because it's based on the classic OS but that framework was restricted by processing power when designed. bit like a filing cabinet you can only open one draw at a time.
now that's all changed as computers have been able to do much more at the same time so it does change work-flow, easy for the likes of Mashina to start with a blank canvas (but hey the still managed to mess that up initially and they had a mpc blueprint to work off.) But really its only going to take a few clever tweaks in the software to bring it up to speed. At the moment your probably better slicing the samples with crop samples off then you can go back into sample edit while the sequence is playing and adjust the your start and end points.it's a good time to join the party.i think you'll manage fine without battery.no you don't have rename anything.i never waste time rename anything. there's a video about batch renaming any way if thats you bag.

I realize why the did it or thought that they needed to do it but it doesn't make sense since memory is not an issue in 2014. Whenever I drag the same sample onto each pad it asks me to rename or replace, since there are 16 pads I have to rename it 16 times. The Ren doesn't have a copy or duplicate function like maschine does so this is how I have to do it. All of the renamed samples show up in the bottom right in the "samples" window. I then go into sample edit and select each sample in the window and adjust the start time accordingly. Using Battery is much easier than doing it this way. Thanks