[OFFICIAL] - MPC X & MPC Live Photos, Specs & Pricing

People mentioning ergonomics of the 10" touchscreen on the X and it being so far away. Check out Andy at NAMM and how close everything is in actual use (unless you are Willow Ufgood, in which case - out of my way peck! Going to make beats!)

zangetsu01 wrote:
Edit: never mind, I've just rewatched the 2 videos and there is no battery icon in grid edit mode.

Which do you plan on getting and why? X or Live?

Wormhelmet wrote:People mentioning ergonomics of the 10" touchscreen on the X and it being so far away. Check out Andy at NAMM and how close everything is in actual use (unless you are Willow Ufgood, in which case - out of my way peck! Going to make beats!)

Are] you serious people are complaining about reachage to the screen? lol smh

Wormhelmet wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:again... on the MV and previous MPCs... that ram was dedicated TO SAMPLE TIME ONLY... the MV 512mb was just for sample and audio tracks.... the 2500 had 128mb for samples....

those machines had an OS that did NOT cut into that 512 or 128... you had that full amount just for recording audio.

saying "2gb is okay" means NOTHING unless you know how the system will use the ram... why is it that in 2017, 2gb of ram is not enough for your music computer? because that 2gb will not be dedicated to JUST the samples within the daw... your OS, the services running in the background, the DAW, etc.. all that will be running and loaded into that ram.

2 gigs of system ram has not been enough since the year 2000. HOWEVER... 2 gigs of dedicated sample time is not terrible. PLUS, who knows if the new MPCs will stream audio tracks to the memory card or hard drive.... you need to know how the system is set up to know if a spec figure is good enough. remember, you can record multiple hours on an SP-303 with a 64 mb smart media card inserted.

I disagree wholeheartedly about MV RAM use and what was capable in 2000 with a modest system on PC. RAM is dedicated to PROJECT on the MV including Audio tracks up to 8. (edit - I see you did state that for MV was sample and audio - my bad)

Still it is a lot of RAM for a sampler compared to other samplers. I have no idea if it is ok or not because we need to see efficiency in action. I never said it was ok, just that it was alot for a sampler and we have yet to see if they code right or not.

Doing multiple audio only tracks in a DAW was good for more than 8 tracks with 2gb RAM. My 2000 DAW had 1gb and did 8 fine.

Yes I wholeheartedly agree that the OS and DAW software needs to be coded to use RAM efficiently and your mileage may vary depending on efficiency of code on the device.

The point is that we don't know if it uses RAM for OS also. Also don't know efficiency of coding. I did think I read in that 20 page pdf Fanu posted that it has the ability to stream from disk or SD card.

I just think it premature to freak out about 2gb RAM when we don't really know how it will take advantage of that RAM and that there are no other samplers on the market using that much that are getting a huge buzz about how awesome 2gb is or how junk 2gb is. Maybe we should find one and speculate. Will just be speculation though.

Not entirely directed at mr_debauch and not meaning to single out your post. My original statement was in response to the original concern that 2gb would not nearly be enough.

i think we are saying the same thing...

yes two gigs of ram for just projects (user inputted data.. audio.. etc..) is great... but two gig for the entire system in total is not as great.. imagine if your cell phone only had 2 gigs and you tried running this mpc software on it. It doesn't sound so hot when you look at it that way...

the point is.. in every previous hardware mpc (and MV etc) when talking ram, knowing that amount meant knowing how much audio you had room for.. is that the case here as well? Or do we look at that 2gb in the context we would look at a cell phone type of spec?

The OS is stored on the 16GB portion of the internal flash and takes up 4GB. How much of that is loaded into RAM is anybody's guess but I imagine it's not much.

mr_debauch wrote:

Wormhelmet wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:again... on the MV and previous MPCs... that ram was dedicated TO SAMPLE TIME ONLY... the MV 512mb was just for sample and audio tracks.... the 2500 had 128mb for samples....

those machines had an OS that did NOT cut into that 512 or 128... you had that full amount just for recording audio.

saying "2gb is okay" means NOTHING unless you know how the system will use the ram... why is it that in 2017, 2gb of ram is not enough for your music computer? because that 2gb will not be dedicated to JUST the samples within the daw... your OS, the services running in the background, the DAW, etc.. all that will be running and loaded into that ram.

2 gigs of system ram has not been enough since the year 2000. HOWEVER... 2 gigs of dedicated sample time is not terrible. PLUS, who knows if the new MPCs will stream audio tracks to the memory card or hard drive.... you need to know how the system is set up to know if a spec figure is good enough. remember, you can record multiple hours on an SP-303 with a 64 mb smart media card inserted.

I disagree wholeheartedly about MV RAM use and what was capable in 2000 with a modest system on PC. RAM is dedicated to PROJECT on the MV including Audio tracks up to 8. (edit - I see you did state that for MV was sample and audio - my bad)

Still it is a lot of RAM for a sampler compared to other samplers. I have no idea if it is ok or not because we need to see efficiency in action. I never said it was ok, just that it was alot for a sampler and we have yet to see if they code right or not.

Doing multiple audio only tracks in a DAW was good for more than 8 tracks with 2gb RAM. My 2000 DAW had 1gb and did 8 fine.

Yes I wholeheartedly agree that the OS and DAW software needs to be coded to use RAM efficiently and your mileage may vary depending on efficiency of code on the device.

The point is that we don't know if it uses RAM for OS also. Also don't know efficiency of coding. I did think I read in that 20 page pdf Fanu posted that it has the ability to stream from disk or SD card.

I just think it premature to freak out about 2gb RAM when we don't really know how it will take advantage of that RAM and that there are no other samplers on the market using that much that are getting a huge buzz about how awesome 2gb is or how junk 2gb is. Maybe we should find one and speculate. Will just be speculation though.

Not entirely directed at mr_debauch and not meaning to single out your post. My original statement was in response to the original concern that 2gb would not nearly be enough.

i think we are saying the same thing...

yes two gigs of ram for just projects (user inputted data.. audio.. etc..) is great... but two gig for the entire system in total is not as great.. imagine if your cell phone only had 2 gigs and you tried running this mpc software on it. It doesn't sound so hot when you look at it that way...

the point is.. in every previous hardware mpc (and MV etc) when talking ram, knowing that amount meant knowing how much audio you had room for.. is that the case here as well? Or do we look at that 2gb in the context we would look at a cell phone type of spec?

I will say this . When l had the 2000XL it was blown out to 32mb and l was making whole tracks. With no problems. 2 gig ram is more than enough. If l found magic with the 2000XL l can only imagine what l could fo with 2 gig ram.

I don'wethink we should be to worried about that seriously. I think the most important part is the software which l hsve no interest in using.

I can lock my MPCx up to Reason 9 and go bananas !

Danoc wrote:

zangetsu01 wrote:
Edit: never mind, I've just rewatched the 2 videos and there is no battery icon in grid edit mode.

Which do you plan on getting and why? X or Live?

I plan on getting the X just like you. Coming from the MPC Touch I believe hat this will
enhance my workflow, most of the things I need are in there. Just by looking at the X it inspires me so much more. I've sold my MPC 2500 yesterday (haven't been using it for years)

zangetsu01 wrote:

Danoc wrote:

zangetsu01 wrote:
Edit: never mind, I've just rewatched the 2 videos and there is no battery icon in grid edit mode.

Which do you plan on getting and why? X or Live?

I plan on getting the X just like you. Coming from the MPC Touch I believe hat this will
enhance my workflow, most of the things I need are in there. Just by looking at the X it inspires me so much more. I've sold my MPC 2500 yesterday (haven't been using it for years)

Oh dammmm man you sold your 2500? Wow.
Yes l have to hsve the X. Its going to be fun all over again. Akai cane just in time cause things are starting to pick up and gawd knows l can't keep rockiin the lpd8 lol

It looks lime you scroll through sounds fast. I can't wait to connect a hsrd drive to it. Everyday l have been making nrw drums for it. I can't wait.

Wormhelmet wrote:People mentioning ergonomics of the 10" touchscreen on the X and it being so far away. Check out Andy at NAMM and how close everything is in actual use (unless you are Willow Ufgood, in which case - out of my way peck! Going to make beats!)

At 4:50 he said Ren-X.

maybe thats how they initialy wanted to name the MPC.

Hahaa, seeing people complain that the "big screen is a joke" and that "it looks fragile". HAHA!
People will always be complaining, no matter what

Fanu wrote:Hahaa, seeing people complain that the "big screen is a joke" and that "it looks fragile". HAHA!
People will always be complaining, no matter what

People are stupid. I don't listen to these jackasses. They were the first ones to say standalone machines were dead, now look at them!!

Ill-Green wrote:

Fanu wrote:Hahaa, seeing people complain that the "big screen is a joke" and that "it looks fragile". HAHA!
People will always be complaining, no matter what

People are stupid. I don't listen to these jackasses. They were the first ones to say standalone machines were dead, now look at them!!

Yeah, I just laugh. I feel amused. It's the amount of complaining we've seen that's just out of this world.
Like, people were also complaining about the distance of the screen on the X a lot. "Your wrists will be sore". And now we've seen the video – it's perfect.
Some say it looks too shiny or fragile. Yeah, a sh1t-stained, 30-year-old MPC 60 sure does look better.
I've never seen this much complaining about a forthcoming product before.

So far I'm very impressed by the 'X'. The screen and screen response looks perfect. The enhanced Qlink section is going work overtime once I get it. BPM detect and the new realtimstretching comes as a blessing.

For me the only thing that is unclear at the moment is the ability to side chain. in a few of my songs I want the bass to leave more room for the kick drum to kick in and I also want to be able to use izotope stutter.

I'm glad the MPC is designed to sound as transparent as possible. just sold my 2500, Loved the maschine but never liked the sound. Next one to go is the Touch.

Some people have a ton of analog gear (Pre-Amps, Compressors, EQ's, fx boxes, instruments, microphones, synths, modulars etc) in the studio. Not everyone relies on Vst's or needs them in the environment they produce in. I know I don't. I spend all my money on buying the actual hardware the Vst's try an emulate. 12 years of doing this you can get quite a collection.

Personally I think this is great to have with the type of setup/workflow I have and many others.

Limitations in the "standalone" mode is great in my view.. I think people have forgotten what limitation means in this day an age. They want limitless, they want it all. You'll be far more creative with limits then with endless possibilities from what I've learned. Being presented with crucial decisions during the creative process.

It's expensive. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. If you don't see the value in it then it's not for you. Complaining or arguing with people that are excited for it is pointless.

I get people are starving for 2.0. But I feel a 2.0 thread should be launched so everyone can just go there to complain. Personally I don't own any New Akai products. I have a 2000XL for personal use. In my studio I offer Maschine Studio as the Beat product if anyone needs it when renting out. I make music on hardware most of the time.

I'm excited. I hope it works. I pre-ordered last week. I hope no one else does so I get in on the first batch

back2future wrote:But I feel a 2.0 thread should be launched so everyone can just go there to complain

Already is:

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