EPS classic/MPC combo.....bit conversion question?

Ok....I know the EPS is 12 bit.....so the sample conversion is 12 bit.....I understand that...

Now let's say I have the sampling turntable hooked up as normal.....but I have my audio output on the EPS going to my IN on the MPC2kxl(16bit)......would it still capture the 12 bit sound or am i bypassing the a/d conversion here therfore not capturing the grittiness of the 12bit sound? Becaue this would enable me to get more than 10 secs of sampling time and woudl give me 12 bit if it works this way....someone lemme know what you think about this

oh yeah...just to clarify...keep in mind I'm not sampling to the keys of the EPS, then samplign into the MPC.....what I do is choose my sample rate.....press sample, and while the sample is running I am then sampling into the MPC...I know it's confusing....but I just wanted to know...thanks

The MPC will capture WHATEVER you put into it. The sample should sound the same as the source. The grittiness should be there. Your thinking too deep into it. Just sample with the MPC and use the sounds you get. They should still sound gritty like the eps.

I guess I'm wondering because I dunno if the A/D conversion would be 12 bit(while going form the mixer to eps to mpc) or if it would be the same as sampling straight from the mixer to the MPC...

It will probably just add some noize, I think the grit comes from the sample storage, what gets stored does get effected by a/d conversion, but also, the played sample gets colored by the D/A conversion, so you won't get it all, or even partially.

Why don't you try it and let us know? try it in just pass through, then sample it into the eps then the mpc, then the mpc alone and hear the difference.

make sure you keep the level the same (maybe excluding boosts in the samplers) to not add overdrive to the equation, unless you want to do that test with them too!

it would depend on the level i which u r recording. the higher the bit depth the higher the headroom. but recording a 12bit output with a 16bit recorder wont make the 12bit signal better. keep in mind that there r other sound destruction tool aside from sh*tty bit depth.

elmacaco wrote:Why don't you try it and let us know? try it in just pass through, then sample it into the eps then the mpc, then the mpc alone and hear the difference.

yeah, I'll try when I get back home today.....I was just pondering this while out of town....I'll let y'all know what I think....thanks

Like Lampdog said , it'll capture "WHATEVER" . I used to have a SP-1200 once and before I sold it I took all of my MPC drums, sped 'em up to 120, sampled 'em into the SP and then re-sampled 'em back into the MP after I tuned 'em back down in the SP . And I ended up w/ exactly what I wanted , that classic SP drum sound coming out of my MP .

i know it'll capture whatever......but I was just wondering, since I am not capturing them per se into the EPS(not actually sampling them to the keys, therefore bypassing the memory).....is it the same as if I got them to keys in the EPS, then sampled what I had in the keys form the EPS to the MPC.....

I tried three ways today.....and all three ways came out diff't(to my ear at least)

1. Mixer to EPS to MPC(sampled into the keys of the EPS, then to the MPC)......nice, punchier, bassier...good hard hitting kicks and full snares...had a warm sound on samples

2.Mixer to EPS to MPC(not sampled to the keys in the EPS, but ran through the EPS...only the sample screen was on)......not as nice as above, but better than straight to the MPC......kicks were punchy, but not as much....snares sounded the same, samples sounded the same

3. mixer to MPC......just like normal.....flatter and less hard hitting than above

I wonder what the reason is that just running it through sounds diff't, maybe the dacs on the EPS, maybe it only captures a lil bit of the 12 bit synthesis....maybe it goes to memory then back, but not stored....who knows......I just wanted to see if I could get that 12 bit EPS (Ensoniq) warm sound with more than just 10 secs of sample time.....

nyst8 wrote:i know it'll capture whatever......but I was just wondering, since I am not capturing them per se into the EPS(not actually sampling them to the keys, therefore bypassing the memory).....is it the same as if I got them to keys in the EPS, then sampled what I had in the keys form the EPS to the MPC.....

I tried three ways today.....and all three ways came out diff't(to my ear at least)

1. Mixer to EPS to MPC(sampled into the keys of the EPS, then to the MPC)......nice, punchier, bassier...good hard hitting kicks and full snares...had a warm sound on samples

2.Mixer to EPS to MPC(not sampled to the keys in the EPS, but ran through the EPS...only the sample screen was on)......not as nice as above, but better than straight to the MPC......kicks were punchy, but not as much....snares sounded the same, samples sounded the same

3. mixer to MPC......just like normal.....flatter and less hard hitting than above

I wonder what the reason is that just running it through sounds diff't, maybe the dacs on the EPS, maybe it only captures a lil bit of the 12 bit synthesis....maybe it goes to memory then back, but not stored....who knows......I just wanted to see if I could get that 12 bit EPS (Ensoniq) warm sound with more than just 10 secs of sample time.....

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